1 00:00:25,010 --> 00:00:19,140 [Music] 2 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:25,020 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:28,640 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:37,580 --> 00:00:35,340 here's gene Steinberg we have such great 5 00:00:39,979 --> 00:00:37,590 guests this weekend Lapera cast that we 6 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:39,989 decided Chris and I that we couldn't 7 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:42,600 wait and have them join us in the second 8 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:44,850 segment so instead of annoying you with 9 00:00:50,930 --> 00:00:49,050 other content kind of pregame chatter 10 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:50,940 we're going to reserve that this week 11 00:00:55,549 --> 00:00:53,280 for after the para cast and get that by 12 00:00:58,340 --> 00:00:55,559 the way for joining the para cast plus 13 00:01:00,410 --> 00:00:58,350 at plus doctor para cast comm instead 14 00:01:02,229 --> 00:01:00,420 we'll do it all now we'll bring on our 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:02,239 guest Greg Bishop 16 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:05,370 hello Greg it's been a while what seven 17 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:07,080 eight nine months I don't know not quite 18 00:01:11,990 --> 00:01:09,750 here it seems like a long time but we 19 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:12,000 haven't talked to Walker Bosley in a 20 00:01:16,819 --> 00:01:13,500 couple of years I don't think right 21 00:01:19,940 --> 00:01:16,829 Walker right yeah I think it has been 22 00:01:22,039 --> 00:01:19,950 since 2013 as a matter of fact when I 23 00:01:23,899 --> 00:01:22,049 came out with the third Empire of The 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:23,909 Wheel book and the first secret missions 25 00:01:28,569 --> 00:01:26,130 book it has been that long Wow or was 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:28,579 that last year I'm confused 27 00:01:33,620 --> 00:01:31,890 we're alternate reality there's a TV 28 00:01:36,349 --> 00:01:33,630 show now on one of the cable networks 29 00:01:38,990 --> 00:01:36,359 about a woman who does not have a sense 30 00:01:41,270 --> 00:01:39,000 of time she can't sense the passage of 31 00:01:44,179 --> 00:01:41,280 time everything for her is in the moment 32 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:44,189 huh that's cool sometimes I feel that 33 00:01:48,980 --> 00:01:45,810 way well maybe you should have been on 34 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:48,990 the show yeah it's called stitchers by 35 00:01:54,099 --> 00:01:52,020 the way on ABC Family all right okay I'm 36 00:01:57,139 --> 00:01:54,109 gonna check that on yeah it's about this 37 00:01:59,419 --> 00:01:57,149 secret government program where they can 38 00:02:01,609 --> 00:01:59,429 take the newly dead and still somehow 39 00:02:03,859 --> 00:02:01,619 recover their memories before they've 40 00:02:05,809 --> 00:02:03,869 deteriorated too much and that's how 41 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:05,819 they solve crimes but of course the 42 00:02:09,830 --> 00:02:07,590 usual conspiracy theory is it's kind of 43 00:02:12,290 --> 00:02:09,840 silly but it's fun they renew it for a 44 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:12,300 second year but again the lead character 45 00:02:17,570 --> 00:02:15,480 is someone who does not sense time which 46 00:02:18,950 --> 00:02:17,580 is kind of like the UFO field I'm gonna 47 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:18,960 raise a question here it just been 48 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:20,370 occurring to me because some recent 49 00:02:24,030 --> 00:02:21,340 things I've mentioned 50 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:24,040 and I'll let you Walter or you Gregg 51 00:02:30,750 --> 00:02:27,640 chime in is it time to bury the UFO 52 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:30,760 filled with extreme prejudice really I 53 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:33,640 mean we see the things are going on year 54 00:02:38,970 --> 00:02:36,209 after year the same arguments the recent 55 00:02:40,949 --> 00:02:38,980 brouhaha over what we call the topic 56 00:02:43,290 --> 00:02:40,959 that shall not be named that we 57 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:43,300 sometimes call slide gate you both know 58 00:02:47,970 --> 00:02:45,610 what that's about what do you think how 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:47,980 can we get past this and actually figure 60 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:51,130 out what these crazy things are Gregg 61 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:52,510 Walter wants to chime in 62 00:02:56,850 --> 00:02:54,540 I've been whining about this Lloyd 63 00:02:59,340 --> 00:02:56,860 Greg's been talking about this forever 64 00:03:01,530 --> 00:02:59,350 since I've known him yeah right but 65 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:01,540 doesn't this really vindicate what 66 00:03:06,150 --> 00:03:03,489 you've been saying well it's just I'm 67 00:03:09,300 --> 00:03:06,160 sure Chris knows G knows and Walter 68 00:03:11,490 --> 00:03:09,310 knows that the UFO field has been doing 69 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:11,500 the same thing for 50 years and nothing 70 00:03:16,170 --> 00:03:13,720 is actually it's more like 60 or 70 71 00:03:19,050 --> 00:03:16,180 years now and nothing has changed so a 72 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:19,060 while back a few years back on my show I 73 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:21,340 started complaining about it and then in 74 00:03:26,099 --> 00:03:23,830 the last maybe year I've started saying 75 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:26,109 ok it's time to stop complaining about 76 00:03:30,270 --> 00:03:28,450 it and see what can be done about it and 77 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:30,280 what you know what different things are 78 00:03:34,289 --> 00:03:32,320 floating around out there so I don't 79 00:03:36,930 --> 00:03:34,299 think it should be thrown out wholesale 80 00:03:38,370 --> 00:03:36,940 because you can't it's just you know 81 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:38,380 it's like saying let's throw out the 82 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:40,209 let's throw out the music industry or 83 00:03:44,370 --> 00:03:42,250 let's throw out the the media or 84 00:03:48,059 --> 00:03:44,380 something you can't do that but you can 85 00:03:50,460 --> 00:03:48,069 take elements of it and on an individual 86 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:50,470 or small group basis start to do 87 00:03:55,590 --> 00:03:52,930 different things with it and become 88 00:03:57,259 --> 00:03:55,600 unhooked from the mainstream of UFOs 89 00:03:59,879 --> 00:03:57,269 study I think and that's what I've been 90 00:04:02,220 --> 00:03:59,889 saying for a while now actually is 91 00:04:03,479 --> 00:04:02,230 forget the large groups I used to say 92 00:04:04,979 --> 00:04:03,489 get rid of them but you're not that's 93 00:04:07,349 --> 00:04:04,989 not going to happen like I just said but 94 00:04:11,370 --> 00:04:07,359 forget the large groups form small 95 00:04:13,379 --> 00:04:11,380 groups crowdsource yourself anything you 96 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:13,389 can to not do what the other what the 97 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:16,120 large UFO groups have been doing and and 98 00:04:20,129 --> 00:04:18,190 start with a different premise you know 99 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:20,139 start with the premise let's see let's 100 00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:22,510 say there's no there's no aliens coming 101 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:25,360 from other planets and absolutely stick 102 00:04:30,330 --> 00:04:27,520 to that as a religion for a while and 103 00:04:32,370 --> 00:04:30,340 see what happens or start with any 104 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:32,380 premise and just stick to that one for a 105 00:04:35,310 --> 00:04:34,780 while and see what happens and the other 106 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:35,320 important 107 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:38,440 part of that I think is to do it like I 108 00:04:42,390 --> 00:04:40,600 said in small groups and in secret and 109 00:04:44,970 --> 00:04:42,400 I'm not saying to keep the ideas from 110 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:44,980 other people or to be exclusive or 111 00:04:52,290 --> 00:04:47,650 cliquish or anything like that the the 112 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:52,300 idea is to let a small group explore its 113 00:04:58,050 --> 00:04:55,650 ideas in a pure way no media no 114 00:05:00,840 --> 00:04:58,060 television no books being written no 115 00:05:03,510 --> 00:05:00,850 publicity no attempt for anybody to do 116 00:05:05,910 --> 00:05:03,520 anything public because as soon as ego 117 00:05:08,190 --> 00:05:05,920 enters into it you get you all the stuff 118 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:08,200 that's been polluting you know not the 119 00:05:11,790 --> 00:05:10,210 signal but the the pure research I guess 120 00:05:13,260 --> 00:05:11,800 you want to call it I hate to use these 121 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:13,270 terms because they sound so lofty you're 122 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:17,230 a research no but yeah do it you know 123 00:05:22,260 --> 00:05:19,210 small groups in secret working very 124 00:05:24,810 --> 00:05:22,270 carefully on something until a result is 125 00:05:27,270 --> 00:05:24,820 produced or no result is produced and 126 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:27,280 until there's something reportable until 127 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:29,200 there's some reportable worth reporting 128 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:31,030 if there's nothing worth reporting then 129 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:33,400 forget it move on to something else but 130 00:05:36,270 --> 00:05:34,810 people have problems with this because I 131 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:36,280 think it's wasting their time which is 132 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:37,930 which is dumb because even when you 133 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:39,340 don't come up with anything you learn a 134 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:42,130 lot so anyway that I will stop the rant 135 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:45,130 now what did we learn from this recent 136 00:05:49,830 --> 00:05:48,460 brouhaha and the Mexico City event it 137 00:05:52,230 --> 00:05:49,840 seems to me when you look at it in 138 00:05:55,370 --> 00:05:52,240 retrospect you can't imagine any 139 00:05:59,250 --> 00:05:55,380 thinking person being taken in by that 140 00:06:01,440 --> 00:05:59,260 right that's the first thing I guess we 141 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:01,450 learned is for people to think before 142 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:04,900 they leap in to either putting on 143 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:08,650 something or or participating you know 144 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:11,200 as a viewer or as an audience member 145 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:16,390 because clearly I mean was due diligence 146 00:06:22,850 --> 00:06:20,140 not done or like some people say was it 147 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:22,860 done and then just kind of set aside 148 00:06:29,190 --> 00:06:26,290 disregarded or off you skated because so 149 00:06:32,130 --> 00:06:29,200 much had been committed to in a 150 00:06:36,270 --> 00:06:32,140 particular direction I mean you know was 151 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:36,280 that was somebody embarrassed to then 152 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:37,660 come out and say you know what it's not 153 00:06:44,690 --> 00:06:42,130 what we thought it was but I you know 154 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:44,700 the tough thing with that situation is 155 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:48,370 you do have to wonder you know people 156 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:49,160 brought up the 157 00:06:53,740 --> 00:06:51,410 you know was somebody committing fraud 158 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:53,750 in this case you know duping people and 159 00:06:56,950 --> 00:06:55,130 you you know what that's a legitimate 160 00:06:59,050 --> 00:06:56,960 question because of all the 161 00:07:00,960 --> 00:06:59,060 circumstances we know about it now you 162 00:07:04,660 --> 00:07:00,970 know it's difficult to believe that 163 00:07:07,870 --> 00:07:04,670 nobody in that group knew you know what 164 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:07,880 that was or had not you know and maybe 165 00:07:12,820 --> 00:07:09,650 it goes back to the guy who was the 166 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:12,830 original source of the slide I don't 167 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:15,530 know but one crazy theory and it goes 168 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:17,570 back to the reports that some people had 169 00:07:23,740 --> 00:07:20,210 their email accounts hacked some of the 170 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:23,750 people participating is that supposedly 171 00:07:29,140 --> 00:07:26,330 certain intelligence groups or people 172 00:07:32,890 --> 00:07:29,150 we're involved in creating that as a 173 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:32,900 hoax to create more noise or and that 174 00:07:37,450 --> 00:07:34,610 goes to the larger question here is 175 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:37,460 there any possibility here that one of 176 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:40,970 the problems in UFO research is that we 177 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:43,790 have this intelligence or disinformation 178 00:07:48,700 --> 00:07:46,730 element that keeps polluting the waters 179 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:48,710 and that's why things just don't work I 180 00:07:52,450 --> 00:07:50,720 think it's really easy to blame 181 00:07:57,730 --> 00:07:52,460 intelligence agencies for things that 182 00:08:00,520 --> 00:07:57,740 people screw up themselves I do want to 183 00:08:02,980 --> 00:08:00,530 throw one thing in that's a good 184 00:08:05,710 --> 00:08:02,990 question Jeanne and I we're the 185 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:05,720 intelligence guy here so yeah I I'm 186 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:07,250 gonna say this and this is all I'm gonna 187 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:10,760 say about this I would recommend anyone 188 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:13,130 who wants to look closer at that 189 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:18,650 situation regarding certain agencies to 190 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:25,550 take a closer look at any of the certain 191 00:08:32,170 --> 00:08:29,270 players that were involved say in being 192 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:32,180 the you know how they said they had had 193 00:08:40,330 --> 00:08:34,490 the slides reviewed by Pentagon annales 194 00:08:43,570 --> 00:08:40,340 analysts visual and analysts yeah I'm 195 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:43,580 just gonna say take a look at any 196 00:08:48,970 --> 00:08:46,610 individuals named and take a closer look 197 00:08:52,710 --> 00:08:48,980 at them and I'll leave it at that 198 00:08:56,290 --> 00:08:52,720 we'll go on to the next question you 199 00:08:58,450 --> 00:08:56,300 just raised about 46 questions there yes 200 00:09:01,210 --> 00:08:58,460 I did yes I did what I'm saying is take 201 00:09:02,830 --> 00:09:01,220 a closer look at a particular individual 202 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:02,840 who well I'm 203 00:09:06,820 --> 00:09:04,220 I'm not at liberty to discuss that 204 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:06,830 further but it was a name that popped up 205 00:09:14,560 --> 00:09:09,890 that I personally recognized yeah I 206 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:14,570 think so we'll leave it there 207 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:16,400 but I did want to throw that out there 208 00:09:22,900 --> 00:09:18,980 because it is there and you know the 209 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:22,910 possibility of you know the that 210 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:24,710 scenario you just mentioned about you 211 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:27,050 know is it obfuscation or is 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somewhat related 338 00:14:46,140 --> 00:14:42,760 is how many things that happen in UFO 339 00:14:48,180 --> 00:14:46,150 field have been put up jobs an example 340 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:48,190 of course is James carry-ons book the 341 00:14:53,610 --> 00:14:50,770 Rosetta deception where it's all about 342 00:14:55,230 --> 00:14:53,620 the ghost rockets being there to spook 343 00:14:58,170 --> 00:14:55,240 the Russians and maybe there's some of 344 00:15:00,780 --> 00:14:58,180 that in Roswell which were beginning to 345 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:00,790 call the case that shall not be named so 346 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:02,080 who wants to take that one 347 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:04,930 well I'm unfortunately not as familiar 348 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:07,150 with some of the recent research and 349 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:09,070 literature like the the I mean I've 350 00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:10,900 heard of carry-ons book but I haven't 351 00:15:14,820 --> 00:15:11,380 read 352 00:15:16,740 --> 00:15:14,830 so there might be some research and 353 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:16,750 investigations and theories put out 354 00:15:22,530 --> 00:15:19,600 there that I'm not familiar enough to to 355 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:22,540 speak about but in a general sense yeah 356 00:15:29,670 --> 00:15:26,430 I would agree with you no theories that 357 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:29,680 that Roswell like like other things has 358 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:32,590 been played with so much and kind of 359 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:34,420 like what Gregg says you know let's let 360 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:36,190 them think what they want I've said that 361 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:38,230 kind of a brand of that in a version of 362 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:40,570 that in the past you know hey they want 363 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:42,370 to think it's et let them think it's et 364 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:45,280 it works for us but then have you find 365 00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:47,410 out what's behind it if you just allowed 366 00:15:52,740 --> 00:15:50,380 the opinions to flourish fester or 367 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:52,750 whatever well when I say that it's 368 00:15:57,420 --> 00:15:55,060 coming from an assumption you know the 369 00:16:01,190 --> 00:15:57,430 theory that they already know what it is 370 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:01,200 and generally they're just using a 371 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:04,660 public opinion or public mythology to 372 00:16:09,420 --> 00:16:07,600 kind of let it be a cover or a sleight 373 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:09,430 of hand so that you know people don't 374 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:12,130 really take a closer look at what it 375 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:15,370 really might be but if jumping on that 376 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:17,620 other path where you know that they 377 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:19,990 don't know what it is either I would say 378 00:16:24,630 --> 00:16:21,310 that you know they're always looking 379 00:16:27,210 --> 00:16:24,640 into stuff secretly you know again it 380 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:27,220 goes back to you know hey let people 381 00:16:30,780 --> 00:16:29,140 think what they want to think but 382 00:16:34,770 --> 00:16:30,790 certainly in some cases I think there's 383 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:34,780 probably been stuff injected into the 384 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:38,170 scenario you know intentionally well in 385 00:16:42,690 --> 00:16:40,240 the old days of the power cast forums I 386 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:42,700 don't think we do it now but Chris 387 00:16:46,380 --> 00:16:44,290 O'Brien's predecessor and I would 388 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:46,390 occasionally just think to ourselves who 389 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:49,690 is the intelligence operative who's a 390 00:16:55,050 --> 00:16:51,790 member and participant in the power cast 391 00:16:56,550 --> 00:16:55,060 forums I know both of you and more so 392 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:56,560 with Walter have participated in the 393 00:17:00,390 --> 00:16:57,850 forums but we've never made that 394 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:00,400 assumption with either of you but that 395 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:03,400 kind of is humorous it wasn't meant to 396 00:17:07,770 --> 00:17:05,050 be serious but it does go to the 397 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:07,780 paranoia that inflicts this entire field 398 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,510 oh sure yeah I think the people that are 399 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:12,400 paranoid they're doing too much thinking 400 00:17:17,190 --> 00:17:14,260 and they're paying attention to the 401 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:17,200 wrong things if you trust your internal 402 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:19,450 compass enough you should be able to 403 00:17:23,370 --> 00:17:21,970 navigate this stuff without being 404 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:23,380 worried that somebody's leading you 405 00:17:27,269 --> 00:17:24,579 astray 406 00:17:29,610 --> 00:17:27,279 you know the the weirder and and and 407 00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:29,620 more unsubstantiated something sounds 408 00:17:33,779 --> 00:17:31,269 you know the less attention you should 409 00:17:35,460 --> 00:17:33,789 probably pay to it and looking for the 410 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:35,470 answer this is like the disclosure thing 411 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:36,940 you look for the answer from the people 412 00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:39,010 you completely distrust that that's a 413 00:17:43,529 --> 00:17:40,870 very big cognitive dissonance for me 414 00:17:45,450 --> 00:17:43,539 right we go out there and say anytime 415 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:45,460 the government tells us something we 416 00:17:48,299 --> 00:17:46,450 don't believe it 417 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:48,309 oh they've got this new deal with Iran 418 00:17:53,370 --> 00:17:51,250 it's obviously some trick by the 419 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:53,380 President of the United States to betray 420 00:17:56,970 --> 00:17:55,090 our country whatever you know come out 421 00:17:59,159 --> 00:17:56,980 with a lot of nonsense one way or the 422 00:18:02,399 --> 00:17:59,169 other you come to your own conclusions 423 00:18:04,379 --> 00:18:02,409 but the point is here is that the image 424 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:04,389 is being presented here that the 425 00:18:08,669 --> 00:18:06,130 government is incompetent you can't 426 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:08,679 trust them nothing they say is accurate 427 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:11,769 it's all spin whether it's just figures 428 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:14,049 about unemployment or about inflation 429 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:16,450 none of it equates to the real world 430 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:19,120 these are the enemies except we still 431 00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:21,370 continue to vote in the people who 432 00:18:26,129 --> 00:18:23,500 represent us locally regardless of that 433 00:18:29,279 --> 00:18:26,139 now we want disclosure in the UFO field 434 00:18:31,139 --> 00:18:29,289 we want President Obama or the 435 00:18:33,870 --> 00:18:31,149 government leader in whatever country 436 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:33,880 you name to come up and say on worldwide 437 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:36,610 TV we know the truth we've been hiding 438 00:18:41,940 --> 00:18:39,130 it from you for whatever reason but 439 00:18:43,710 --> 00:18:41,950 we're being visited by et who believe 440 00:18:45,330 --> 00:18:43,720 them anyway I don't know if anybody 441 00:18:46,769 --> 00:18:45,340 would believe them well we people that 442 00:18:47,759 --> 00:18:46,779 already believe that's going on would 443 00:18:50,430 --> 00:18:47,769 believe them immediately 444 00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,440 we agree it confirms their biases and 445 00:18:53,610 --> 00:18:52,240 their prejudices and all that the funny 446 00:18:56,850 --> 00:18:53,620 thing is here is there's a there's a 447 00:18:58,019 --> 00:18:56,860 disconnect here if people you know if 448 00:19:00,120 --> 00:18:58,029 the government's telling you about 449 00:19:02,370 --> 00:19:00,130 normal things like unemployment and all 450 00:19:03,570 --> 00:19:02,380 that well whatever I mean you can check 451 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:03,580 that out for yourself but if they're 452 00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:04,990 telling you about something paranormal 453 00:19:08,340 --> 00:19:06,789 about UFOs how the hell are you gonna go 454 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:08,350 check that out for yourself there there 455 00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:10,690 isn't really any way to do it and I keep 456 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:12,460 going back to the John keel quote that 457 00:19:17,009 --> 00:19:15,220 the the UFO researchers aren't telling 458 00:19:22,769 --> 00:19:17,019 the US government what they know about 459 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:22,779 UFOs well you know actually Greg I think 460 00:19:26,639 --> 00:19:24,700 the the answer that question is how you 461 00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,649 gonna know goes back to what you were in 462 00:19:31,769 --> 00:19:28,240 before which I'm also been an advocate 463 00:19:33,629 --> 00:19:31,779 of and that's go private don't talk 464 00:19:35,789 --> 00:19:33,639 about what you're finding what you're 465 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:35,799 doing go out there and do the research 466 00:19:40,289 --> 00:19:38,110 the investigation privately and you 467 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:40,299 maybe surprised what emerges from the 468 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,670 woodwork you know because I think the 469 00:19:48,299 --> 00:19:45,280 the phenomenon itself there's an 470 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:48,309 intelligence involved and quite frankly 471 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:50,590 it knows when you're trying to you know 472 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:53,410 be a media star and it's it's a 473 00:19:57,750 --> 00:19:55,510 trickster you know it's it's gonna play 474 00:19:59,760 --> 00:19:57,760 that deck game with you where if you're 475 00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,770 out there saying hey I'm the guy who 476 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:02,559 knows look at my book look at my show 477 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:05,470 look at this it's going to disappear on 478 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:07,690 you it's coming from the person I don't 479 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:10,150 think it's coming from the phenomenon if 480 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:12,100 your ego gets in the way it messes 481 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:13,960 everything up it messes everything up 482 00:20:17,460 --> 00:20:15,730 and remote viewing or anything where 483 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:17,470 you're trying to get some kind of pure 484 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:19,450 signal and your ego says well this is 485 00:20:23,310 --> 00:20:21,370 the thing and then suddenly that signal 486 00:20:24,659 --> 00:20:23,320 has gone through about a hundred more 487 00:20:26,190 --> 00:20:24,669 filters by the time it gets your 488 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:26,200 consciousness and out your mouth and all 489 00:20:31,260 --> 00:20:28,510 that but it's both I mean the phenomenon 490 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:31,270 is not a product can't be entirely a 491 00:20:36,180 --> 00:20:34,210 product of you know the individual 492 00:20:38,100 --> 00:20:36,190 psyche you know there's just been too 493 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:38,110 many things that have occurred that you 494 00:20:42,210 --> 00:20:39,970 know there's multiple witnesses of oh I 495 00:20:43,950 --> 00:20:42,220 wasn't saying that I'm sure though very 496 00:20:46,409 --> 00:20:43,960 if there's a sliding scale I mean 497 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:46,419 sometimes as more signal whatever that 498 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:48,280 might be and I think a lot of the time 499 00:20:52,980 --> 00:20:51,370 it's it's noise or not noise but that's 500 00:20:55,159 --> 00:20:52,990 coming from our own minds I think that's 501 00:20:57,659 --> 00:20:55,169 a very important part of all this yeah 502 00:20:59,480 --> 00:20:57,669 of course it is you know and and you 503 00:21:01,380 --> 00:20:59,490 know call it what you want but 504 00:21:03,150 --> 00:21:01,390 essentially what I'm saying you know 505 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:03,160 whatever for whatever the reason the 506 00:21:09,060 --> 00:21:05,410 point is you go public 507 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:09,070 for whatever reason suddenly you're not 508 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,809 gonna get as many results you're not 509 00:21:15,539 --> 00:21:12,780 gonna find as much it's gonna withdraw 510 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:15,549 for whatever the reason it's going to 511 00:21:20,610 --> 00:21:18,250 withdraw whereas if you stay private you 512 00:21:24,030 --> 00:21:20,620 know for a certain point it's going to 513 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,040 interact it's going to emerge more and I 514 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:25,840 know I understand a lot of people have 515 00:21:30,180 --> 00:21:27,730 problem with that because they you know 516 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:30,190 there's a view that everything should be 517 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:33,130 shared at all times well you know I I 518 00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:37,000 disagree with that you know and Greg's 519 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:39,910 already covered that I used to agree 520 00:21:45,299 --> 00:21:41,530 with it now I don't with regards to the 521 00:21:47,220 --> 00:21:45,309 you have 300 studies so you know let me 522 00:21:48,659 --> 00:21:47,230 chime in here real quick guys and you 523 00:21:49,859 --> 00:21:48,669 know welcome to the show it's great to 524 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:49,869 have you guys 525 00:21:55,769 --> 00:21:52,720 I really have a sense that you guys are 526 00:21:57,869 --> 00:21:55,779 really you're zeroing in on I think as 527 00:22:00,239 --> 00:21:57,879 Greg both of you have rightfully pointed 528 00:22:02,249 --> 00:22:00,249 out is a very kind of a hidden but very 529 00:22:05,399 --> 00:22:02,259 crucial element and that is it's almost 530 00:22:07,019 --> 00:22:05,409 like the observer effect or some sort of 531 00:22:09,330 --> 00:22:07,029 cultural uncertainty principle-- the 532 00:22:11,639 --> 00:22:09,340 more the more you open your mouth Alessa 533 00:22:14,489 --> 00:22:11,649 the less accurate things tend to become 534 00:22:16,379 --> 00:22:14,499 and and it's hard to you know like in 535 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:16,389 quantum physics if you're trying to if 536 00:22:20,669 --> 00:22:18,610 you're trying to you know it find out 537 00:22:22,349 --> 00:22:20,679 find find the mass of something in a 538 00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:22,359 particle or you're trying to find the 539 00:22:30,029 --> 00:22:24,580 velocity the more you zero in on one of 540 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,039 those the less define the other element 541 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:32,080 becomes so that sounds like the UFO 542 00:22:37,049 --> 00:22:34,570 field in general food exactly let's get 543 00:22:40,649 --> 00:22:37,059 to more of this in a moment with Walter 544 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:40,659 Bosley Greg Bishop Jean Steinberg Chris 545 00:23:00,119 --> 00:22:58,720 O'Brien you're in hi this is Ted 546 00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:00,129 Anderson 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00:26:11,260 scissors then you are making it easy for 617 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:14,050 almost every home security system even 618 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:15,940 those sold by big-name companies has a 619 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:18,220 weakness the phone line you shell out 620 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:20,620 1500 bucks get locked into a long term 621 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:23,410 contract and think you're safe but a 622 00:26:27,450 --> 00:26:25,270 burglar can destroy your alarm in 623 00:26:29,610 --> 00:26:27,460 seconds with one snip and when a burglar 624 00:26:32,100 --> 00:26:29,620 cuts your phone line you're defenseless 625 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,110 simply save home security is the smarter 626 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:34,480 choice built by Harvard engineers simply 627 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:36,490 safe uses a wireless connection to call 628 00:26:38,730 --> 00:26:36,970 the cops 629 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:38,740 scissors can't cut it and that means 630 00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:40,090 your home stays safe 631 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:42,280 24/7 professional monitoring is under 632 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:44,980 $50 a month with no contract simply safe 633 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:47,050 home security keeps you safer than the 634 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:48,910 other guys for half the cost 635 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:50,620 protect your home of the alarm you can 636 00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:52,840 trust simply safe go to simply safe 637 00:27:03,530 --> 00:26:55,480 defense calm now for an exclusive 10% 638 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:07,050 this is our Valley are you listening to 639 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:09,730 the podcast the gold standard of 640 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:11,010 paranormal radio 641 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:15,990 [Music] 642 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:20,400 [Laughter] 643 00:27:26,820 --> 00:27:23,050 okay the show is now going downhill from 644 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:26,830 here as if it was ever going uphill that 645 00:27:30,990 --> 00:27:28,570 was Greg Bishop by the way with that 646 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:31,000 weird voice that came from we have no 647 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:35,440 idea well that's what channeled sorry 648 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:36,850 that's what channeled right up through 649 00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,750 me what channel 7 channel 11 one know 650 00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:43,120 that the channeled strange voice that 651 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:45,550 that was the voice of his avatar and sky 652 00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:46,570 yeah I must be 653 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:48,429 yeah the pascagoula head greg has the 654 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:51,640 pass of Gulu monsters is spike 655 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:53,290 I guess his name was spike right he's 656 00:27:57,299 --> 00:27:55,480 got three spikes for it with two spikes 657 00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:57,309 for ears and a spike for a nose no eyes 658 00:28:01,500 --> 00:27:59,950 and a little slit mouth yes that's one 659 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:01,510 of my favorite characters ever from 660 00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:04,600 ufology be in addition to the Kelly 661 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:07,000 Hopkinsville goblins love them too since 662 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:08,200 we raised it we're talking about 663 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:11,170 intelligence and mind control let's just 664 00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:11,920 hone in on that 665 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:16,510 Pascagoula not a gray something out of 666 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,450 your worst nightmare what's behind this 667 00:28:24,990 --> 00:28:22,320 is this the descendant of MKULTRA 668 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:25,000 getting involved with mind control in 669 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:28,450 generating UFO abductions Greg since you 670 00:28:32,180 --> 00:28:31,330 have the avatar explained it's your 671 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:32,190 fault man 672 00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:36,010 you know for a majority probably most of 673 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:39,640 UFO you know ce3 s occupant reports and 674 00:28:44,970 --> 00:28:42,630 all that I don't know if there are any 675 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:44,980 intelligence connections to though I'm 676 00:28:51,870 --> 00:28:47,170 sure they would use them if they knew 677 00:28:53,250 --> 00:28:51,880 about them use the imagery but the thing 678 00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,260 is that you know I think this goes back 679 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:55,360 to what I said about interpretation and 680 00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:57,730 mixed with whatever is causing that no I 681 00:29:02,340 --> 00:28:59,890 don't think there's not an external you 682 00:29:04,290 --> 00:29:02,350 know element to this there's definitely 683 00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,300 an external element there's definitely 684 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:07,120 some kind of intelligence or awareness 685 00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:09,130 or consciousness behind what we call the 686 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:11,740 UFO thing but I think that there is an 687 00:29:16,049 --> 00:29:14,290 infinite number of ways that we went out 688 00:29:19,580 --> 00:29:16,059 before it hits our consciousness how we 689 00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:19,590 interpret it and the fact that both 690 00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:23,440 Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson saw 691 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:25,590 the same thing and apparently 692 00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:28,049 experience the same thing I don't know 693 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:29,820 if that really says that that's really 694 00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:31,980 what happened I mean if we were standing 695 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,659 there in the room or standing there off 696 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:35,760 to the side I don't know if we would 697 00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:36,990 have seen the same thing or even 698 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:38,580 experienced any of that maybe they were 699 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:40,440 sitting on the shore quivering but you 700 00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:41,760 know when when when they said all this 701 00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:44,279 was going on who knows but but something 702 00:29:47,810 --> 00:29:45,840 happened to them and that imagery came 703 00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:47,820 up the other thing about it is it's so 704 00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,220 strange and so off the path from other 705 00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:51,779 you know nobody else ever report an 706 00:29:55,730 --> 00:29:53,100 entity that looked like that I don't 707 00:29:58,970 --> 00:29:55,740 think so that I think that speaks to the 708 00:30:01,720 --> 00:29:58,980 variety of interpretation that people 709 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,730 would have or the variety of ways that 710 00:30:07,159 --> 00:30:03,840 somebody's mind might filter that 711 00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:07,169 experience you know I'm getting a little 712 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:08,820 bombastic here and you know it sounds 713 00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,990 like I'm saying it's all in their heads 714 00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:12,000 like no no no it's not all in somebody's 715 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:14,100 heads what I'm saying is it's probably 716 00:30:18,260 --> 00:30:16,529 mostly in your head yeah it's almost 717 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:18,270 like the details of the experience are 718 00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:20,130 filled in by the witnesses yeah exactly 719 00:30:23,539 --> 00:30:22,110 and then they probably talk about it you 720 00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,549 know afterwards maybe even 721 00:30:28,700 --> 00:30:25,380 subconsciously back and forth who knows 722 00:30:31,639 --> 00:30:28,710 and that and that the the story the 723 00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,649 story that emerges becomes what happened 724 00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,360 not notic not what happened what 725 00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,120 happened who knows but their 726 00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:37,440 recollection of it and how they tell the 727 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:38,880 story of what happened to them 728 00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:40,770 that becomes the experience who knows 729 00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,390 what the experience was maybe 730 00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:44,520 intelligence you know people have known 731 00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:46,860 this for you know many many many many 732 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:49,169 years and and they use that and Walter 733 00:30:53,779 --> 00:30:51,929 might be able to speak to that well you 734 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:53,789 know we should note that you know what 735 00:30:59,899 --> 00:30:56,990 Pascagoula is you've got what three 736 00:31:01,549 --> 00:30:59,909 Naval Air stay tuned able air stations 737 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:01,559 and a couple of Air Force bases in 738 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:04,950 Florida so you know you've got a very 739 00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,470 much a strong military presence and the 740 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:09,539 particular two branches that are 741 00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:12,690 involved in advanced technology so you 742 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:15,270 know you have to consider okay what was 743 00:31:20,019 --> 00:31:18,510 going on there DoD wise but you know 744 00:31:24,529 --> 00:31:20,029 Greg brings up a good point about 745 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:24,539 there's what the witnesses state and 746 00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:27,210 then there's really happen now you know 747 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:31,230 back then we didn't have you know video 748 00:31:37,510 --> 00:31:33,630 cameras and iPhones and things I think 749 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:37,520 today we've got the interesting element 750 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:39,230 that on 751 00:31:44,529 --> 00:31:42,350 one hand if Pascagoula were to happen 752 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:44,539 today you know one of these two guys are 753 00:31:49,750 --> 00:31:46,039 both of them would have had would have 754 00:31:53,379 --> 00:31:49,760 captured the visual on an iPhone likely 755 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:53,389 and we would have had a documented 756 00:31:58,990 --> 00:31:56,620 record of what the camera saw and 757 00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:59,000 sometimes that can be different from 758 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:00,860 what the eye sees I've personally 759 00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:03,710 experienced that yes but in this case 760 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,380 here I wonder if you had a camera there 761 00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:08,720 would you see anything on it other than 762 00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:11,960 two people staring at nothing right yeah 763 00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,350 I mean that's that's the question well 764 00:32:20,139 --> 00:32:17,360 the other question is with all this 765 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:20,149 technology now that's you know just 766 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,130 permeating the culture why aren't we 767 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:26,000 seeing more quality images and eclipses 768 00:32:29,470 --> 00:32:27,830 I mean this is something that some of 769 00:32:31,389 --> 00:32:29,480 our healthy skeptics on the forums have 770 00:32:33,070 --> 00:32:31,399 been pointing out now for for several 771 00:32:36,659 --> 00:32:33,080 years with with the advent of all these 772 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:36,669 cell phones you know 16 even a 32-bit 773 00:32:40,899 --> 00:32:39,289 megapixels we should have some really 774 00:32:43,149 --> 00:32:40,909 good visual evidence by now and it 775 00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:43,159 doesn't seem like we're seeing that so 776 00:32:50,649 --> 00:32:45,740 why do you think this is I think that 777 00:32:56,580 --> 00:32:50,659 there may be there may be something that 778 00:33:01,240 --> 00:32:56,590 the object does or can do to camouflage 779 00:33:03,399 --> 00:33:01,250 its electronic signature visually and 780 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:03,409 there there just may very well be 781 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:05,809 something like that to where you know 782 00:33:11,649 --> 00:33:07,970 the the people are looking at this thing 783 00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:11,659 as it actually is and they're capturing 784 00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:13,220 it on the video but then when they go to 785 00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:17,360 the video there's detail missing it just 786 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:19,340 didn't seem to capture what the I saw 787 00:33:25,899 --> 00:33:23,870 and you know I think there's possibly an 788 00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:25,909 element there well the other other 789 00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,120 possibility is that what we're seeing is 790 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:30,799 not what is being captured by a camera 791 00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:33,820 because what we're seeing is not the 792 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:39,500 physical optical representation of what 793 00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:41,450 it is so the camera will capture one 794 00:33:47,950 --> 00:33:44,960 thing and our experience our vision our 795 00:33:50,289 --> 00:33:47,960 oh yeah yeah that's all combined to 796 00:33:51,869 --> 00:33:50,299 create something that is not the same as 797 00:33:53,609 --> 00:33:51,879 what a camera 798 00:33:56,759 --> 00:33:53,619 actually that's very good that's the 799 00:33:58,469 --> 00:33:56,769 flip side of what I said I said you know 800 00:34:00,029 --> 00:33:58,479 there's something that it's camouflaging 801 00:34:02,339 --> 00:34:00,039 itself so the camera doesn't capture it 802 00:34:04,259 --> 00:34:02,349 but yeah what you're saying I agree with 803 00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:04,269 that it could be that the camera 804 00:34:10,819 --> 00:34:07,569 captures what's really there and the 805 00:34:13,889 --> 00:34:10,829 camouflage is what's being sent to our 806 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,899 perception to our eyes right I don't 807 00:34:17,879 --> 00:34:16,240 recall seeing the same thing by our 808 00:34:19,379 --> 00:34:17,889 consciousness and the camera that I 809 00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:19,389 think they're both quote-unquote real 810 00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:20,470 they're just different ways of looking 811 00:34:23,249 --> 00:34:21,849 at it yeah but I haven't heard of a 812 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:23,259 single case where someone has claimed 813 00:34:26,970 --> 00:34:24,609 that they've filmed something that 814 00:34:29,129 --> 00:34:26,980 they've seen and experienced and yet the 815 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:29,139 image doesn't come out on on on the 816 00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,429 camera i I can't maybe a handful of 817 00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:35,440 stories where people said well I took a 818 00:34:39,029 --> 00:34:37,659 picture of it nothing came out but but 819 00:34:41,730 --> 00:34:39,039 you would think that if that was a case 820 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:41,740 and then we'd have many more claimants 821 00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:43,929 of experiences that that aren't backed 822 00:34:48,899 --> 00:34:45,909 up with the visual evidence but the 823 00:34:51,059 --> 00:34:48,909 problem there is the minute somebody 824 00:34:53,579 --> 00:34:51,069 comes out and says hey man I and this 825 00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,589 other guy are standing there at 11:30 826 00:34:58,349 --> 00:34:55,599 one night in November looking at this 827 00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,359 thing very distinctly it was amazing and 828 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:00,640 I got video of it but it does not look 829 00:35:06,059 --> 00:35:02,710 like what we saw guess what's gonna be 830 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:06,069 said all the true all the rabid skeptics 831 00:35:09,539 --> 00:35:07,690 are gonna come out and say oh you're a 832 00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:09,549 liar oh you're making it you're gonna be 833 00:35:14,819 --> 00:35:11,819 so attacked and you're gonna be there's 834 00:35:17,490 --> 00:35:14,829 seven people and so that's why you're 835 00:35:19,470 --> 00:35:17,500 not hearing about that that's why if I 836 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:19,480 were to have encountered something like 837 00:35:24,839 --> 00:35:22,690 that personally I would not talk about 838 00:35:26,789 --> 00:35:24,849 it publicly you know why I answer 839 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:26,799 skeptics in the first place it's just I 840 00:35:30,930 --> 00:35:29,410 think that's a little no the problem is 841 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:30,940 it's not that you're answering skeptics 842 00:35:35,279 --> 00:35:32,529 is that you're out there in the forums 843 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:35,289 like this one sharing this and they just 844 00:35:39,390 --> 00:35:37,180 come out of you know they come out at 845 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:39,400 you it's not that you even want to deal 846 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:42,609 with them you can't you're in the water 847 00:35:45,660 --> 00:35:44,200 and there's the sharks you know well 848 00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:45,670 there's one more thing did you ever 849 00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:47,470 notice that one of the closer something 850 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:50,529 is to the camera the less anybody gets a 851 00:35:55,289 --> 00:35:53,410 picture of it the further it is away the 852 00:35:57,150 --> 00:35:55,299 better the pictures are what is the 853 00:36:00,450 --> 00:35:57,160 reason for that a skeptical person says 854 00:36:03,180 --> 00:36:00,460 because they're hoaxes and that's the 855 00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:03,190 way we make and hide things I don't know 856 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:05,740 about electronic camouflage 857 00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:08,080 I think there's something about some of 858 00:36:14,910 --> 00:36:12,040 these objects where it's either by 859 00:36:17,310 --> 00:36:14,920 design or by default because of the 860 00:36:19,890 --> 00:36:17,320 technology that it's messing with the 861 00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:19,900 with the it's messing with the camera 862 00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:21,670 the workings of the camera well I can 863 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:23,920 attest to that I mean I I thought we had 864 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:26,770 up it up in Jerome people call it one of 865 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:28,210 the most haunted towns in America here 866 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:30,310 in Arizona and I was walking down the 867 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:31,510 hallway and at the end of the hallway 868 00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:34,510 was a 3d a brand-new 3d camera let's 869 00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:36,550 continue that discussion in our next 870 00:36:41,820 --> 00:36:39,430 segment with Jean and Chris and Greg 871 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:41,830 Bishop and Walter Bosley you're in 872 00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:49,840 Lapera cast independently leading the 873 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:52,900 way for the nation compelling talk for 874 00:36:59,820 --> 00:36:56,560 every political persuasion we are see 875 00:37:01,590 --> 00:36:59,830 and attack of the rock odes has been 876 00:37:03,570 --> 00:37:01,600 well received by critics and readers 877 00:37:06,359 --> 00:37:03,580 alike it's a thrill a minute story 878 00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:06,369 you'll never forget a former US military 879 00:37:10,980 --> 00:37:08,710 intelligence officer is haunted by 880 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:10,990 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 881 00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:13,630 pleading for his help after a terrible 882 00:37:18,420 --> 00:37:16,390 battle in outer space but the dreams 883 00:37:20,099 --> 00:37:18,430 turned out to be true and thrust him 884 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:20,109 into a telepathic love affair with a 885 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:23,170 woman whose faraway planet is intent on 886 00:37:28,349 --> 00:37:25,540 destroying the earth and now the 887 00:37:30,810 --> 00:37:28,359 gripping tale continues in but coming of 888 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:30,820 the protectors it's the second book of 889 00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:33,430 the rockets trilogy a galaxy spanning 890 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:35,619 adventure that pits our hapless heroes 891 00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,650 against powerful fanatical enemies that 892 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:40,480 threaten the lives of freedom loving 893 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:43,450 beings everywhere attack of the rockets 894 00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:46,930 and the coming of the protectors classic 895 00:37:53,099 --> 00:37:49,630 science fiction at its 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--> 00:41:56,069 any features that I should have been 993 00:42:01,730 --> 00:41:58,109 able to see detail it looked like about 994 00:42:02,990 --> 00:42:01,740 a six foot male silhouette but I should 995 00:42:04,279 --> 00:42:03,000 have because of the lighting in the 996 00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:04,289 hallway I should have been able to see 997 00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:06,359 facial details clothing details and I 998 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:08,910 realized but almost instantly that it 999 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:11,970 was some sort of shadow person or ghost 1000 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:14,250 for lack of a better definition I 1001 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:16,530 immediately turned around and took the 1002 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:18,210 two steps behind me to look and see if 1003 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:19,770 there was a doorway there and there 1004 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:21,569 wasn't it was definitely something high 1005 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:24,690 strange I saw it clearly the camera was 1006 00:42:28,099 --> 00:42:26,609 recording I instantly ran around the 1007 00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:28,109 corner into the room or where the 1008 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:29,940 director was I said we just got the 1009 00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,510 world's first footage a 3d footage of a 1010 00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,180 ghost you could come out here and turn 1011 00:42:41,539 --> 00:42:38,880 the camera off he went out there hit 1012 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:41,549 stop and instead of the message it says 1013 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:43,529 would you like to save this clip or 1014 00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,450 initialize this clip that message never 1015 00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,880 came up we never could initialize that 1016 00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:49,920 particular clip he wouldn't use the 1017 00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:52,200 camera for several weeks trying to get 1018 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:54,529 in there and retrieve that particular 1019 00:42:58,099 --> 00:42:56,730 seven-minute clip a part of a part of 1020 00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:58,109 the interview that he'd done just before 1021 00:43:02,420 --> 00:42:59,460 setting the camera up in the hallway was 1022 00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:02,430 also on that clip and I thought for sure 1023 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:05,220 that we had just landed the motherlode 1024 00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,250 the first 3d footage of a ghost and I 1025 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:09,900 was beside myself 1026 00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:12,930 I was so excited about that and then to 1027 00:43:18,620 --> 00:43:16,740 have the camera not offering the option 1028 00:43:22,450 --> 00:43:18,630 to initialize and save the clip it was 1029 00:43:24,799 --> 00:43:22,460 just very very frustrating and that 1030 00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,809 absolutely is an illustration of what 1031 00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:26,760 Walter was talking about that there and 1032 00:43:30,579 --> 00:43:28,950 Greg I think would agree with us that 1033 00:43:33,969 --> 00:43:30,589 there's there's some 1034 00:43:36,729 --> 00:43:33,979 weird element that's at work here it's 1035 00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:36,739 almost like whatever it is if it doesn't 1036 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:39,049 want to be documented photograph to film 1037 00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:42,170 videotaped something will happen to to 1038 00:43:46,779 --> 00:43:44,509 make that so I don't know how many times 1039 00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:46,789 in fact just two weeks ago I was out all 1040 00:43:51,459 --> 00:43:49,069 my batteries had been drained a 1041 00:43:52,959 --> 00:43:51,469 helicopter had flown over us we had some 1042 00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:52,969 sighting about unusual lights at the 1043 00:43:58,539 --> 00:43:56,329 Bradshaw ranch the batteries in my phone 1044 00:44:00,239 --> 00:43:58,549 the battery in my camera and the two 1045 00:44:02,529 --> 00:44:00,249 batteries for my night-vision binoculars 1046 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:02,539 which I thought I had charged them all 1047 00:44:06,549 --> 00:44:05,210 they were all dead now the other people 1048 00:44:10,359 --> 00:44:06,559 that were with me their batteries were 1049 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:10,369 fine so it's just it's bizarre the way 1050 00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,089 sometimes these things play out there 1051 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:16,640 seems to be an interaction with 1052 00:44:20,769 --> 00:44:18,650 technology there seems to be some sort 1053 00:44:22,809 --> 00:44:20,779 of control exerted I've got crucial 1054 00:44:24,700 --> 00:44:22,819 moments yeah and it's very frustrating 1055 00:44:26,799 --> 00:44:24,710 I'm telling you I was really bummed that 1056 00:44:27,999 --> 00:44:26,809 we didn't we got twenty-two thousand 1057 00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,009 dollar camera it's never had any 1058 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:30,319 problems since it didn't have any 1059 00:44:33,489 --> 00:44:31,849 problems the one chute that we used it 1060 00:44:35,979 --> 00:44:33,499 before this particular chute 1061 00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:35,989 it's really frustrating what do you 1062 00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:39,140 think causes that any idea you know I 1063 00:44:44,589 --> 00:44:42,440 don't know it's just it's some it's it's 1064 00:44:47,529 --> 00:44:44,599 almost a temporal effect it's almost 1065 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:47,539 like it's almost like time maybe out 1066 00:44:52,299 --> 00:44:49,450 during these experiences time either 1067 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:52,309 contracts or dilates and it's almost 1068 00:44:58,539 --> 00:44:55,609 like there's you're almost beside the 1069 00:45:00,459 --> 00:44:58,549 reality of the experience is almost like 1070 00:45:02,769 --> 00:45:00,469 removed from the standard reality and 1071 00:45:06,549 --> 00:45:02,779 put next to it or something uh it's it's 1072 00:45:09,940 --> 00:45:06,559 hard but but I think that there's 1073 00:45:12,219 --> 00:45:09,950 there's almost a parallel a parallel 1074 00:45:14,739 --> 00:45:12,229 moment that happens I've noticed this 1075 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:14,749 during sighting events that the air 1076 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:15,890 seems different 1077 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:18,410 you don't hear crickets for instance 1078 00:45:22,089 --> 00:45:20,450 I've had sightings at night with lots of 1079 00:45:24,249 --> 00:45:22,099 crickets even cicadas and then during 1080 00:45:25,209 --> 00:45:24,259 the sighting event you never notice that 1081 00:45:27,849 --> 00:45:25,219 they go away but then all of a sudden 1082 00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:27,859 you realize it's silent and it's almost 1083 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:29,569 like you're not in the same place at 1084 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:32,450 that moment that you're you're standing 1085 00:45:36,489 --> 00:45:33,890 next to yourself or something I don't 1086 00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:36,499 know how to describe it mmm they also 1087 00:45:39,789 --> 00:45:37,940 the thing about the batteries being 1088 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:39,799 drained you know that sounds like the 1089 00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:41,450 batteries are suddenly sent through like 1090 00:45:46,690 --> 00:45:44,540 you know 20 hours of doing nothing 1091 00:45:48,310 --> 00:45:46,700 being being used or something and they 1092 00:45:49,780 --> 00:45:48,320 took a little time trip and they just 1093 00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,790 became drained that way I don't know 1094 00:45:56,110 --> 00:45:52,160 well we had a helicopter flight fairly 1095 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:56,120 low over us as well but you would think 1096 00:45:58,660 --> 00:45:57,410 that the other people's batteries would 1097 00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:58,670 be drained as well if that was the case 1098 00:46:02,130 --> 00:46:00,410 if it was some sort of I think it was 1099 00:46:04,330 --> 00:46:02,140 just a coincidence at a military-style 1100 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:04,340 helicopter happened to fly over us about 1101 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:07,910 500 feet you know who knows it's not the 1102 00:46:10,990 --> 00:46:09,290 first time I mean we flew over the 1103 00:46:12,730 --> 00:46:11,000 Bradshaw ranch in a helicopter with the 1104 00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:12,740 History Channel for the show UFO hunters 1105 00:46:18,070 --> 00:46:16,040 and both camera man's onboard batteries 1106 00:46:21,010 --> 00:46:18,080 on their cameras and the spare batteries 1107 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:21,020 they had were all drained and this was 1108 00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:23,090 within I don't know probably two or 1109 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:26,030 three maybe 300 yards 400 yards from 1110 00:46:29,830 --> 00:46:27,890 where my event happened with the 1111 00:46:32,410 --> 00:46:29,840 batteries being drained I was in the 1112 00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:32,420 same basically the same location ah 1113 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:34,280 there's a place we can go back with some 1114 00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:36,170 batteries get a bunch of skeptical 1115 00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:38,240 people with batteries and you and some 1116 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:39,710 other people and see whose batteries get 1117 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:43,910 trained yeah well that's the first time 1118 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:45,230 been there many times that's the first 1119 00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:46,580 time that's happened to me so you know 1120 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:48,740 it would be you know like playing the 1121 00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:51,290 lottery I guess it's almost like there's 1122 00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:55,100 something this it's ganodi I hate to 1123 00:46:59,290 --> 00:46:56,990 overuse the T word but there is a 1124 00:47:01,450 --> 00:46:59,300 trickster element at work and play in 1125 00:47:06,370 --> 00:47:01,460 many of these events and I think that 1126 00:47:10,410 --> 00:47:06,380 that there's an element that has some 1127 00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:10,420 sort of you know ability or recourse to 1128 00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:16,000 impact or effect technology and that 1129 00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,080 it's almost out of whim you know 1130 00:47:21,730 --> 00:47:20,000 sometimes you get lucky you get footage 1131 00:47:24,970 --> 00:47:21,740 I have great footage that I've gotten 1132 00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:24,980 over the years good photographs but then 1133 00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:26,390 there are other times when you are 1134 00:47:31,180 --> 00:47:28,880 convinced like the you know the drama 1135 00:47:34,570 --> 00:47:31,190 event that I described there sometimes 1136 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:34,580 when you really are convinced that it's 1137 00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:37,490 almost like my excitement almost could 1138 00:47:42,130 --> 00:47:39,710 have been somehow involved in in 1139 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:42,140 screwing up the the camera because I 1140 00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:43,670 mean it was at 10:30 at night when I 1141 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:45,260 went around the corner I was leaping in 1142 00:47:49,090 --> 00:47:46,850 the air a fist pump and without saying a 1143 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,100 word because I didn't want to wake up of 1144 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:51,440 the guests in the hotel this happened at 1145 00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:54,170 the corner hotel and and who knows maybe 1146 00:47:57,819 --> 00:47:57,380 it's some sort of psychic feedback loop 1147 00:48:02,440 --> 00:47:57,829 that 1148 00:48:05,819 --> 00:48:02,450 maybe it's the excitement of the event 1149 00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:05,829 that that inadvertently has some sort of 1150 00:48:11,229 --> 00:48:08,180 adverse effect on technology or 1151 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:11,239 mechanistic processes I don't know I'm 1152 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:13,130 just laughing because I just had an idea 1153 00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:14,930 and people are gonna be really bad about 1154 00:48:19,449 --> 00:48:17,569 it so I'm gonna say it the fact that if 1155 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:19,459 something did show up on a camera 1156 00:48:22,509 --> 00:48:20,930 somewhere to prove something would mean 1157 00:48:26,739 --> 00:48:22,519 you would have not as much of a mystery 1158 00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,749 anymore so maybe it self negates that 1159 00:48:31,209 --> 00:48:28,880 way you know just to keep the mystery 1160 00:48:33,009 --> 00:48:31,219 there instead yeah well I was gonna say 1161 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:33,019 that the source of whatever the for 1162 00:48:37,989 --> 00:48:36,170 maybe you do the source well you know it 1163 00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:37,999 wants to be observed only on its own 1164 00:48:44,949 --> 00:48:42,319 terms that's why sometimes rarely it 1165 00:48:48,249 --> 00:48:44,959 will allow itself to be captured in that 1166 00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:48,259 way but for the most part it just wants 1167 00:48:57,249 --> 00:48:51,200 to show itself to you at that particular 1168 00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:57,259 given moment and and because it as Greg 1169 00:49:02,949 --> 00:49:00,559 says it still maybe it's the gatekeeper 1170 00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:02,959 of mystery maybe it wants to keep a 1171 00:49:08,499 --> 00:49:05,900 little bit of mystery in this reality 1172 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:08,509 you know this plane this world oh yeah 1173 00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:12,170 it does that person and not the 1174 00:49:16,059 --> 00:49:13,910 phenomenon wants to keep the mystery 1175 00:49:19,779 --> 00:49:16,069 maybe its agreement with the person as 1176 00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:19,789 well because a person doesn't want the 1177 00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:26,209 mystery to go it's an idea 1178 00:49:30,459 --> 00:49:28,150 I'm not saying that's what I think it is 1179 00:49:31,989 --> 00:49:30,469 anything's possible with this stuff you 1180 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:31,999 know you got it I have to consider 1181 00:49:39,099 --> 00:49:35,529 consider all options but I do I think 1182 00:49:41,709 --> 00:49:39,109 that it's it goes back to conversations 1183 00:49:45,969 --> 00:49:41,719 Greg and I had a few years ago when I 1184 00:49:47,709 --> 00:49:45,979 was experiencing stuff constantly when I 1185 00:49:50,259 --> 00:49:47,719 was researching the Empire the wheel 1186 00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,269 books you know and I tell Greg excitedly 1187 00:49:55,089 --> 00:49:52,640 these the latest you know episode of 1188 00:50:00,579 --> 00:49:55,099 high strangeness you know and he would 1189 00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:00,589 look at me as he does and he would say 1190 00:50:04,089 --> 00:50:02,809 well you know he would comment that it 1191 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:04,099 sounded like it was a very personal 1192 00:50:07,809 --> 00:50:06,410 experience and at first and I've told 1193 00:50:09,699 --> 00:50:07,819 Greg this we've talked about this at 1194 00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:09,709 first I thought that was a polite way of 1195 00:50:13,569 --> 00:50:11,569 saying it's all in your head your 1196 00:50:16,259 --> 00:50:13,579 and then I realized what he was saying 1197 00:50:18,699 --> 00:50:16,269 and I realized oh wait a minute it is 1198 00:50:22,989 --> 00:50:18,709 personal it's something that is 1199 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:22,999 revealing itself to me not because I'm 1200 00:50:27,339 --> 00:50:25,609 special but because I just happen to be 1201 00:50:29,469 --> 00:50:27,349 out there looking I've always argued 1202 00:50:31,299 --> 00:50:29,479 that yeah I've always argued that 1203 00:50:33,759 --> 00:50:31,309 anything I've experienced in the course 1204 00:50:35,410 --> 00:50:33,769 of my investigations in the last seven 1205 00:50:38,109 --> 00:50:35,420 or eight years is something that anybody 1206 00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:38,119 could experience if they looked closely 1207 00:50:44,799 --> 00:50:41,569 enough or hard enough and and so I 1208 00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:44,809 realized oh wow okay so there is this 1209 00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:47,599 personal nature of this and that led 1210 00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:51,319 even more so to my philosophy that keep 1211 00:50:54,459 --> 00:50:53,089 it to yourself and you're gonna see more 1212 00:50:57,459 --> 00:50:54,469 you're gonna get closer you're gonna 1213 00:51:00,729 --> 00:50:57,469 experience more be willing to not want 1214 00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:00,739 to you know be the guy or you know to be 1215 00:51:07,539 --> 00:51:04,190 a star or you know be willing to to try 1216 00:51:09,189 --> 00:51:07,549 to resist writing about all of it we're 1217 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:09,199 talking about all of it I mean there's 1218 00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:11,170 stuff there's no way in hell I'm gonna 1219 00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:13,880 talk about it publicly in our next 1220 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:17,089 segment Walter I want to ask you about 1221 00:51:21,549 --> 00:51:19,130 one experience you can talk about give 1222 00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:21,559 us an example what's been going on with 1223 00:51:28,290 --> 00:51:24,559 you but first we've got Jean and Chris 1224 00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:28,300 Greg and Walter you're 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version he's 1294 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:51,820 not going to do that forever folks so 1295 00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:54,040 sign up now for one year or five years 1296 00:55:01,589 --> 00:54:58,480 at plus dot the power cast com go to PL 1297 00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:01,599 us dot the power cast I come to learn 1298 00:55:06,660 --> 00:55:04,030 more Walter Bosley and Greg Bishop are 1299 00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:06,670 with us this week and I asked Walter to 1300 00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,369 tell us maybe one or two of his high 1301 00:55:14,099 --> 00:55:11,680 strangeness experiences we get a sense 1302 00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,109 of what's going on well we have someone 1303 00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:15,520 ready to shut you down we've got the 1304 00:55:20,220 --> 00:55:17,740 seven second delay so if you say 1305 00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,230 anything that violates your intelligence 1306 00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:22,240 directive it will be shut down don't 1307 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:23,710 believe that I ain't afraid of no 1308 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:26,410 ghost yeah there's one that I talked 1309 00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:30,930 about in the books when I was initially 1310 00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,369 investigating the first Empire of the 1311 00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:35,200 wheel book doing that research this was 1312 00:55:40,349 --> 00:55:38,200 before I even heard of the the woman I 1313 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:40,359 talk about in the book core Stanton who 1314 00:55:46,770 --> 00:55:42,810 I'm now convinced was the at a place 1315 00:55:50,010 --> 00:55:46,780 this was early on I had already stumbled 1316 00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:50,020 upon the presence of Hecate in her st. 1317 00:55:56,460 --> 00:55:54,580 Catherine form and I'm not gonna go into 1318 00:55:58,380 --> 00:55:56,470 the long background as to why I did this 1319 00:56:01,140 --> 00:55:58,390 there's a whole history leading up to 1320 00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:01,150 why one day I was investigating a 1321 00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:02,830 particular site over here in Riverside 1322 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:05,710 California on behalf of the author sorry 1323 00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:08,410 who does some of my telluric current ley 1324 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:08,980 lines 1325 00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:12,010 morphology they'll identify places and I 1326 00:56:15,780 --> 00:56:13,660 was checking out a site that he had 1327 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:15,790 asked me to look at and I was in the 1328 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:17,290 Rose Garden just sitting there on a 1329 00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:21,310 bench and you know I said okay st. 1330 00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:23,710 Catherine um show me something 1331 00:56:28,109 --> 00:56:26,079 well i sat there kind of chuckling to 1332 00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:28,119 myself it's like okay you know who the 1333 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:29,980 hell knows if she's even listening and 1334 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:32,410 on the drive home this is where the 1335 00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:34,570 experience started on the drive home 1336 00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:37,780 instead of just taking straight to the 1337 00:56:45,150 --> 00:56:42,160 freeway getting on the 91 to come home I 1338 00:56:48,660 --> 00:56:45,160 decided as I got to the intersection of 1339 00:56:50,430 --> 00:56:48,670 Victoria to G I'll turn right I'll take 1340 00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:50,440 the scenic route and I'm driving down a 1341 00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:52,630 few blocks and I look to my right and 1342 00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:55,390 there's this hill suddenly the urge and 1343 00:56:59,250 --> 00:56:57,460 my pops into my head yeah I think I'll 1344 00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,260 go take a look at that hill you know 1345 00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:01,359 this residential little residential area 1346 00:57:06,780 --> 00:57:04,510 and I drove over there and I found this 1347 00:57:09,089 --> 00:57:06,790 quarry the old quarry that I talked 1348 00:57:10,620 --> 00:57:09,099 about in the books and it was the first 1349 00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:10,630 day I ever went there so I got out of 1350 00:57:15,329 --> 00:57:11,980 the car and I looked at this thing it 1351 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:15,339 dates back to the 1880s I think and it's 1352 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:17,770 very Lovecraftian and it's greg has been 1353 00:57:23,099 --> 00:57:20,290 there it's very very eerie and Lovecraft 1354 00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:23,109 II and then it's in its feel you know I 1355 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:24,940 stayed there for about 10-15 minutes 1356 00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:26,890 looking around at the thing I think I'm 1357 00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:29,470 I in fact I did take some pictures of it 1358 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:31,660 and I got in the car and I proceeded to 1359 00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:33,910 go home well between there and home is 1360 00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:36,310 only about a 15 minute drive and in that 1361 00:57:42,569 --> 00:57:39,640 drive I felt all the energy from my body 1362 00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,579 just draining and I thought oh wow I'm 1363 00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,079 coming down with a cold or something 1364 00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:46,720 right but I just felt completely drained 1365 00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:50,760 and I got home and I was just exhausted 1366 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:55,089 for no really apparent reason by 10:00 1367 00:58:01,859 --> 00:57:57,970 or 11:00 that evening my exhaustion had 1368 00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:01,869 developed into its body aches and very 1369 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:05,050 specifically my neck and shoulder kind 1370 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:09,130 of froze up in intense pain and I was 1371 00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:11,050 suffering I I mean I couldn't I had no 1372 00:58:15,150 --> 00:58:13,240 range motion I couldn't you know just 1373 00:58:17,099 --> 00:58:15,160 turn my head normally I had to turn my 1374 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:17,109 whole body if I wanted to you know look 1375 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:20,530 to the right and I suffered this for 1376 00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:24,490 about two or three days and the then 1377 00:58:29,700 --> 00:58:27,400 suddenly I got the urge to go take a 1378 00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:29,710 walk up Mount Rubidoux because of 1379 00:58:33,660 --> 00:58:31,390 something I had read in the weird 1380 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:33,670 California book that Greg is one of the 1381 00:58:38,550 --> 00:58:36,250 co-authors of and I had no business 1382 00:58:40,410 --> 00:58:38,560 driving I mean the condition I stood 1383 00:58:42,210 --> 00:58:40,420 with no range motion I mean I had to 1384 00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,220 completely turn my body to even see if 1385 00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:43,359 someone was in the right lane I 1386 00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:45,310 shouldn't have been driving but I drove 1387 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:47,230 over to Riverside and I took it's a very 1388 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:49,930 easy very pedestrian walking path and 1389 00:58:55,020 --> 00:58:53,410 I'm in pain and I walk up this path to 1390 00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:55,030 this thing called the Peace Tower a 1391 00:59:02,190 --> 00:59:00,640 round granite Tower and you know I'm 1392 00:59:04,260 --> 00:59:02,200 looking at this thing I've never been up 1393 00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,270 there I'm walking around it and I 1394 00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:05,680 decided yeah I'll take a look in this 1395 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:08,290 this little window the slot window it's 1396 00:59:14,130 --> 00:59:10,450 very medieval looking up on Mount rube 1397 00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:14,140 though and it was after I had gone that 1398 00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:16,990 to this tower and I touched the the 1399 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:18,760 outer wall of the tower and was looking 1400 00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:21,250 around suddenly I realized the pain was 1401 00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:24,790 gone completely gone I you know I had 1402 00:59:30,300 --> 00:59:27,280 full range motion and this was just 1403 00:59:33,089 --> 00:59:30,310 suddenly so I'm thinking now wait a 1404 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:33,099 minute what just happened I I said you 1405 00:59:37,319 --> 00:59:34,810 know a few days ago I said hey Katherine 1406 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:37,329 show me something and then on the very 1407 00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:39,430 way home from that I suddenly get the 1408 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:41,230 urge to go take a look at this hill and 1409 00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:44,770 I find this weird strange quarry from 1410 00:59:50,130 --> 00:59:47,560 which I drive away totally drained of 1411 00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:50,140 energy and in pain left in pain 1412 00:59:55,290 --> 00:59:53,230 debilitating pain and stiffness because 1413 00:59:58,890 --> 00:59:55,300 of something I read I get the urge to go 1414 01:00:01,440 --> 00:59:58,900 walk up this mountain and I find this 1415 01:00:03,660 --> 01:00:01,450 tower and suddenly I'm healed I mean you 1416 01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:03,670 know what what's going on here and then 1417 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:07,270 subsequent research led to evidence of 1418 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:10,210 the suggestion that there is some 1419 01:00:16,140 --> 01:00:12,130 telluric current energy connection 1420 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:16,150 because Rubidoux connects in in a 1421 01:00:20,609 --> 01:00:19,210 Fibonacci spiral the ridge amount its 1422 01:00:24,210 --> 01:00:20,619 mount Rubidoux it's actually technically 1423 01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:24,220 a hill possibly forces the flow of the 1424 01:00:29,339 --> 01:00:26,830 energy the telluric current down to it's 1425 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:29,349 on a map I've charted on map down to 1426 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:32,770 this quarry so the theory would be 1427 01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:36,250 Wow I was at the negative end of this 1428 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:39,280 line at the quarry and that's what 1429 01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:42,760 debilitated me and then I was led to the 1430 01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:46,750 positive end which you know is where the 1431 01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:49,810 energy is is literally that positive and 1432 01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:53,890 that healed or cured what I got at the 1433 01:00:59,700 --> 01:00:57,670 other end and this whole experience was 1434 01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:59,710 the result of me kind of being a 1435 01:01:03,810 --> 01:01:01,660 smartass and saying okay hey there 1436 01:01:07,470 --> 01:01:03,820 entity show me something careful what 1437 01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,480 you wish for yeah exactly and do you 1438 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:09,040 think you psychosomatic 1439 01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:10,810 you know subconscious process may have 1440 01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:12,430 had something to do with this or do you 1441 01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:14,440 fully feel that this was something that 1442 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:17,470 was manifest and then D manifested in 1443 01:01:22,980 --> 01:01:19,930 the physical realm outside of your 1444 01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:22,990 involvement based on the totality of the 1445 01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:26,290 circumstances of the eight years of 1446 01:01:34,740 --> 01:01:29,920 research investigate and experience with 1447 01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:34,750 all this stuff relative to Hecate the 1448 01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:36,760 Hecate energy whatever the Hecate thing 1449 01:01:43,470 --> 01:01:40,720 is it's going on I think it's it's I'm 1450 01:01:46,860 --> 01:01:43,480 convinced it's more than psychosomatic 1451 01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:46,870 but here's the point of it is no one not 1452 01:01:53,490 --> 01:01:50,260 you guys no one else it can possibly be 1453 01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:53,500 convinced that it's not psychosomatic 1454 01:01:58,860 --> 01:01:56,470 until and unless you experience it 1455 01:02:00,600 --> 01:01:58,870 yourself right and that's what I'm an 1456 01:02:02,670 --> 01:02:00,610 advocate of there's no way I can prove 1457 01:02:05,550 --> 01:02:02,680 it you gotta experience it yourself and 1458 01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:05,560 I think unfortunately for a lot of UFO 1459 01:02:10,530 --> 01:02:07,150 witnesses and witnesses of other 1460 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:10,540 phenomenon that's the nature of this 1461 01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:12,370 stuff and what these if we're talking 1462 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:14,320 about an intelligence that's what 1463 01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:16,690 they're doing in these experiences is 1464 01:02:22,500 --> 01:02:19,720 they're making it such that there is no 1465 01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:22,510 way you're going to absolutely be able 1466 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:25,000 to prove the experience the individual 1467 01:02:34,340 --> 01:02:28,330 must experience it for themselves so I 1468 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:36,540 yeah but it's the kind of thing that 1469 01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:38,800 it's like that camera experience that I 1470 01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,310 had I mean the experience itself was 1471 01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:44,720 exhilarating I mean I was 1472 01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:47,870 as the shadow leaned out from the wall 1473 01:02:54,010 --> 01:02:50,450 behind me I was kind of mugging for the 1474 01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:54,020 camera at that particular moment and if 1475 01:02:56,890 --> 01:02:55,730 that clip had been initialized it would 1476 01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:56,900 have been you know it would have been 1477 01:03:04,200 --> 01:02:59,990 one of those classic you know Patterson 1478 01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:04,210 Gimlin you know style you know 1479 01:03:08,590 --> 01:03:07,160 historical pieces of footage because it 1480 01:03:11,110 --> 01:03:08,600 would have been to my knowledge the 1481 01:03:14,590 --> 01:03:11,120 first 3d footage of a some sort of 1482 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:14,600 Spectre ish type apparition and and of 1483 01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:16,610 course me mugging at the camera at that 1484 01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:17,990 particular instant would have would have 1485 01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:19,580 just given it that extra little cherry 1486 01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:22,400 on top and but you know all these things 1487 01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,680 I think there is and Greg Greg and I 1488 01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:26,960 have talked about this many times we've 1489 01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,900 discussed this on the show quite a 1490 01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:31,760 number of times there is an interactive 1491 01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,910 reflective quality to many if not most 1492 01:03:39,850 --> 01:03:37,520 of these experiences let's go back to 1493 01:03:42,550 --> 01:03:39,860 reflective factor more to come with Gene 1494 01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:42,560 Kris Walter and Greg you're in the pair 1495 01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:52,430 cast is there a secret UFO agenda two 1496 01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:54,500 strange creatures from the darkest 1497 01:03:59,470 --> 01:03:57,200 corners of the mind roam the earth is 1498 01:04:01,840 --> 01:03:59,480 there evidence 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para 1594 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:07,799 cast community forums at forum dot the 1595 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:10,130 para cast dot-com 1596 01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:12,890 this is one of those things where each 1597 01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:15,780 member of our little cast of characters 1598 01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,600 has to decide whether to save the power 1599 01:08:23,809 --> 01:08:20,880 cast power cast or leave it silent 1600 01:08:25,490 --> 01:08:23,819 Walter Bosley Greg Bishop Jean Steinberg 1601 01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:25,500 Chris O'Brien Chris you were talking 1602 01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:28,380 about the reflective factor of UFOs this 1603 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:31,020 is something that John keel was talking 1604 01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:34,170 about way back when come on please well 1605 01:08:39,860 --> 01:08:36,450 it's not only UFOs I think it's anything 1606 01:08:44,690 --> 01:08:39,870 that smacks of you know some sort of 1607 01:08:46,460 --> 01:08:44,700 supernatural you know quasi magical if 1608 01:08:48,230 --> 01:08:46,470 you will for lack of a better term I 1609 01:08:50,900 --> 01:08:48,240 mean that encompasses a lot of a lot of 1610 01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:50,910 different phenomena it's not only UFOs 1611 01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:53,460 in fact I think Greg's point about 1612 01:08:59,570 --> 01:08:56,430 proximity is I think a very very 1613 01:09:02,690 --> 01:08:59,580 important insight it seems the closer to 1614 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:02,700 you that the event is whatever it is 1615 01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:06,410 whether it's a UFO a ghost some sort of 1616 01:09:12,500 --> 01:09:10,080 aberration the closer to you it is it's 1617 01:09:14,660 --> 01:09:12,510 I think Greg's point is it's harder to 1618 01:09:17,150 --> 01:09:14,670 document that and I think that that's 1619 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:17,160 that that could be a real I think that's 1620 01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:19,770 a really important insight Greg I really 1621 01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:21,410 think you're onto something there that 1622 01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:23,850 and that's that really kind of made me 1623 01:09:29,690 --> 01:09:27,330 sit up ago who kind of I heard a big 1624 01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,700 Gong go off when you said that and it 1625 01:09:35,809 --> 01:09:32,940 makes a lot of sense and looking at 1626 01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:35,819 field investigative work with that in 1627 01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:40,020 mind that can change in a way it can it 1628 01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:42,420 can let's put it this way can inspire an 1629 01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:45,060 investigator to come up with with 1630 01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:48,120 different types of arrays let's say or 1631 01:09:51,890 --> 01:09:49,859 different types of methodology in 1632 01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:51,900 documenting events you should have maybe 1633 01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,040 a particular set of protocols for close 1634 01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:58,440 proximity events and then have a 1635 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:00,510 different set of protocols and and even 1636 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:04,290 gear what have you for further away the 1637 01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:05,730 events that happen further away from you 1638 01:10:10,730 --> 01:10:08,520 and and that that really is his putting 1639 01:10:13,700 --> 01:10:10,740 my wheels in motion here thinking of 1640 01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:13,710 some ways to surmount that because I 1641 01:10:18,190 --> 01:10:15,000 think Greg that's that's one of those 1642 01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:18,200 blind spots that we may have been 1643 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:21,030 unaware of in terms of being out in the 1644 01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:23,510 field that there may be 1645 01:10:30,129 --> 01:10:26,000 a different approach that's required to 1646 01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:30,139 fully document and and at least come up 1647 01:10:34,509 --> 01:10:31,940 with some real tangible evidence of 1648 01:10:35,649 --> 01:10:34,519 close proximity events and I that's you 1649 01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:35,659 really got me thinking there it's very 1650 01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,480 very insightful I think I probably stole 1651 01:10:41,950 --> 01:10:40,400 it from voulez or somebody because they 1652 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:41,960 said the closer you are to something it 1653 01:10:45,459 --> 01:10:43,250 seems like it has more effect on the 1654 01:10:48,069 --> 01:10:45,469 witness the trick with the thing that 1655 01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:48,079 you want to do is having something 1656 01:10:52,959 --> 01:10:50,630 happen to somebody that's completely 1657 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:52,969 unpredictable unless you're in I guess 1658 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:54,650 some sort of a window area then you have 1659 01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:56,090 to have you know Rapid Response Team and 1660 01:10:59,620 --> 01:10:57,530 get all the stuff out there who knows 1661 01:11:01,930 --> 01:10:59,630 the other thing that I thought of when 1662 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:01,940 you were saying that is the questions 1663 01:11:06,549 --> 01:11:04,610 that are asked of witnesses ought to be 1664 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:06,559 a lot more wide-ranging different 1665 01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:09,050 counterintuitive even stupid or silly 1666 01:11:13,569 --> 01:11:11,150 sounding I think because every time 1667 01:11:16,169 --> 01:11:13,579 somebody witnesses something strange it 1668 01:11:18,490 --> 01:11:16,179 to me it's like it's like taking a 1669 01:11:20,259 --> 01:11:18,500 bucket of paint and throwing it at the 1670 01:11:22,299 --> 01:11:20,269 wall and it's they're all gonna be 1671 01:11:23,919 --> 01:11:22,309 buckets of paint thrown at the wall but 1672 01:11:25,569 --> 01:11:23,929 they're all gonna you know turn into 1673 01:11:29,169 --> 01:11:25,579 these different splashes and kerlick 1674 01:11:31,540 --> 01:11:29,179 eul's and curly cues and back splashes 1675 01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:31,550 and sand and droplets and everything 1676 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:33,710 these are all gonna be slightly 1677 01:11:38,859 --> 01:11:36,530 different or maybe a lot different for 1678 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:38,869 different witnesses so I think there's a 1679 01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:40,730 there's got to be some questions asked 1680 01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,360 of witnesses going forward you know dumb 1681 01:11:47,620 --> 01:11:45,920 ones what happened to you two weeks 1682 01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:47,630 before what happened to you two weeks 1683 01:11:52,450 --> 01:11:49,670 after it after how did your life change 1684 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:52,460 did your relationships change did you 1685 01:11:56,740 --> 01:11:54,050 did your life become more difficult 1686 01:11:59,140 --> 01:11:56,750 easier any of these things a lot of 1687 01:12:01,359 --> 01:11:59,150 subjective things because an objectivity 1688 01:12:04,509 --> 01:12:01,369 hasn't worked real well so far it's got 1689 01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:04,519 us a lot of data and a lot of maybe some 1690 01:12:09,939 --> 01:12:08,090 patterns but the subjective I think is 1691 01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:09,949 what's going on with these with witness 1692 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:12,260 it's very subjective so those are all 1693 01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:13,610 questions that I've been asking my 1694 01:12:19,060 --> 01:12:16,400 witnesses for years well you have it in 1695 01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:19,070 a database can start combing that and 1696 01:12:24,939 --> 01:12:22,670 massaging it I hit you've hit a nail on 1697 01:12:27,129 --> 01:12:24,949 the head there and just because 1698 01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:27,139 something's subjective I think it should 1699 01:12:30,669 --> 01:12:28,730 be pointed out can never be pointed out 1700 01:12:34,660 --> 01:12:30,679 too much doesn't mean it's necessarily 1701 01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:34,670 that it's not real too many times it's 1702 01:12:40,290 --> 01:12:37,360 well it's subjective therefore it's not 1703 01:12:42,420 --> 01:12:40,300 real okay I know there's people who live 1704 01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:42,430 in that you know that it's got to be 1705 01:12:49,530 --> 01:12:44,230 material I've got it you know okay 1706 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:49,540 whatever you know I there's whatever but 1707 01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:52,810 the subjective part particularly what 1708 01:12:59,640 --> 01:12:56,560 happened after the experience I have 1709 01:13:02,720 --> 01:12:59,650 found to be to be really interesting 1710 01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:02,730 yeah I've talked with Chris before about 1711 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:06,400 crow and Raven and and you know I've had 1712 01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:09,610 experiences where they were around a lot 1713 01:13:15,930 --> 01:13:12,490 as other things weird things were 1714 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:15,940 happening I had an experience in 2012 1715 01:13:22,110 --> 01:13:19,930 with an owl now we get them occasionally 1716 01:13:24,930 --> 01:13:22,120 but I'll put it to this way I have not 1717 01:13:26,910 --> 01:13:24,940 laid eyes on an owl here since this 1718 01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:26,920 experience and I can't tell you when it 1719 01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,050 had been you know up to the experience 1720 01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:32,080 but one night you know around midnight 1721 01:13:36,090 --> 01:13:34,450 ish maybe a little before maybe a little 1722 01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,100 after I can't remember I'll have to look 1723 01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:38,080 at the video because I have it on video 1724 01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:42,130 in fact I'll show it to you guys later 1725 01:13:46,530 --> 01:13:44,080 I heard this what you know what I 1726 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:46,540 thought was this hellacious this 1727 01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:50,050 horrifying scream of a woman right and 1728 01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,510 we know Al's can do you know that make 1729 01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:55,120 these these terrifying sounds and his 1730 01:13:59,280 --> 01:13:57,610 screech owls yeah exactly and within 1731 01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:59,290 moments of hearing this I thought oh 1732 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:01,600 there must be an owl outside right 1733 01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:04,330 because you know so I go running outside 1734 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:06,730 and sure enough perched at the top of 1735 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:07,930 the tree in my front yard 1736 01:14:13,620 --> 01:14:11,170 was the biggest owl you know one of the 1737 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:13,630 biggest I'd ever seen and it sat there 1738 01:14:17,490 --> 01:14:15,490 you know way at the top and it was like 1739 01:14:19,860 --> 01:14:17,500 it was waiting for me to run back in and 1740 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:19,870 get my camera it stayed right there I 1741 01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:22,690 ran in got my camera came out started 1742 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:25,270 the camera up got a few seconds of 1743 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:26,890 footage and it stayed right there and 1744 01:14:32,370 --> 01:14:29,650 then it spread its wings slowly out and 1745 01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:32,380 then took off and flew away to the east 1746 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:35,470 and I captured all this on video well I 1747 01:14:41,100 --> 01:14:38,650 believe it was within a few days that an 1748 01:14:42,750 --> 01:14:41,110 uncle of mine died that's a common 1749 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:42,760 interpretation the Native American and 1750 01:14:48,030 --> 01:14:44,770 interpretation about an owl sighting 1751 01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:48,040 yeah I'm convinced that there's some but 1752 01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:50,080 that's just me I'm convinced that it was 1753 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:50,950 a portent of some 1754 01:14:54,630 --> 01:14:52,930 kind that you know this this you should 1755 01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:54,640 definitely mention this to Mike Cleland 1756 01:14:59,130 --> 01:14:57,070 he's in the final stages of finishing up 1757 01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:59,140 a book about synchronicity and Howell 1758 01:15:03,540 --> 01:15:01,600 sightings I think I think I did and I 1759 01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:03,550 think I even sent him the photos from 1760 01:15:08,550 --> 01:15:04,990 the video but I'll definitely contact 1761 01:15:11,010 --> 01:15:08,560 him again and and you know remind him or 1762 01:15:13,710 --> 01:15:11,020 let know if I didn't but it was it was 1763 01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:13,720 something that again I can at least show 1764 01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:15,550 you the photos and the video of the owl 1765 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:18,460 because I did capture that and of course 1766 01:15:21,450 --> 01:15:19,690 the skeptic is gonna say well that's 1767 01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:21,460 just totally is a subjective 1768 01:15:25,650 --> 01:15:23,110 interpretation in a coincidence that 1769 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:25,660 your own clothes yeah of course you know 1770 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:28,650 absolutely that's all whatever is Right 1771 01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:30,610 fast question here when we talk about 1772 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:33,820 owls isn't that also supposed to be part 1773 01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,850 of the alleged screen memory that 1774 01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:39,280 involves the UFO abduction you see the 1775 01:15:46,140 --> 01:15:42,370 owls and you see the eyes and supposedly 1776 01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:46,150 if you are allowed to remember what 1777 01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:49,990 really in quotes happen to you what 1778 01:15:54,900 --> 01:15:52,360 happened was truly that you were taken 1779 01:15:57,570 --> 01:15:54,910 aboard this spacecraft and they poked 1780 01:16:00,330 --> 01:15:57,580 things in you and they checked your DNA 1781 01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,340 or they took samples of semen or 1782 01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:02,560 whatever and they were ready to create a 1783 01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:06,310 hybrid race I'm just getting very far to 1784 01:16:11,220 --> 01:16:08,920 this but I'm just as the outer symbology 1785 01:16:13,650 --> 01:16:11,230 is being indicative of that as well I'm 1786 01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:13,660 gonna ask the question now but we'll 1787 01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:15,430 have it answered in our next segment how 1788 01:16:21,750 --> 01:16:18,670 about that our guests this week include 1789 01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:21,760 Walker Bosley former agent so therefore 1790 01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:23,260 he knows what the government is up to 1791 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:26,830 and Greg Bishop who is looking at the 1792 01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:29,410 excluded middle and Gina and Chris who 1793 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:40,650 great minds think alike the network for 1794 01:16:48,510 --> 01:16:43,210 the independent finding the genesis 1795 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:48,520 communications network GC and this is 1796 01:16:52,140 --> 01:16:50,050 dan pillar do you owe the IRS money you 1797 01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:52,150 can't pay our tax debts crippling you 1798 01:16:56,340 --> 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--> 01:20:39,070 seven eight eight six three six five 1896 01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:40,660 three that's one eight seven 1897 01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:42,910 seven eight eight six three six five 1898 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:45,820 three or order online at go burka calm 1899 01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:53,770 let's go burqa calm today this is to 1900 01:20:57,780 --> 01:20:56,230 romp large cluster of beautiful on cycle 1901 01:21:00,150 --> 01:20:57,790 feet in other books when you're 1902 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:00,160 listening to the podcast 1903 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:09,760 [Music] 1904 01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:12,920 okay I guess we can call that the parrot 1905 01:21:17,650 --> 01:21:14,930 cast we're talking about owls now 1906 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:17,660 getting parrots there you go okay so I 1907 01:21:22,450 --> 01:21:20,210 was talking about here the image of the 1908 01:21:24,910 --> 01:21:22,460 owl being connected with UFO abductions 1909 01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:24,920 who wants to take that I would like to 1910 01:21:31,690 --> 01:21:29,120 comment on that first a moment ago a few 1911 01:21:33,450 --> 01:21:31,700 moments ago I you know you had asked me 1912 01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:33,460 if I thought it was you know 1913 01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:35,870 psychosomatic or if there you know when 1914 01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:37,310 I was talking about the st. Catherine 1915 01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,010 Hecate thing with the with the tower and 1916 01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:42,320 with the quarry and I said that over the 1917 01:21:46,930 --> 01:21:45,140 course of seven or eight years the 1918 01:21:48,910 --> 01:21:46,940 totality of the circumstances and what 1919 01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:48,920 I've experienced lead me to think it was 1920 01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:50,990 a real experience with Hecate this al 1921 01:21:56,410 --> 01:21:53,330 thing goes back to that because it so 1922 01:22:00,340 --> 01:21:56,420 happens that owls are directly connected 1923 01:22:03,430 --> 01:22:00,350 to Hecate as Hecate is connected to the 1924 01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:03,440 Athena the goddess Athena image whose 1925 01:22:10,660 --> 01:22:07,760 familiar is an owl and so here again we 1926 01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:10,670 have whatever this Hecate thing is going 1927 01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:12,650 on and remember Hecate is also the 1928 01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:14,750 goddess of the gateway to the underworld 1929 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:18,440 she is Persephone and so here we have an 1930 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:22,010 owl coming to me telling me something 1931 01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:24,250 and we've been you know a few days 1932 01:22:29,290 --> 01:22:27,410 someone in the family dies so even 1933 01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:29,300 though I recognize you know exactly what 1934 01:22:34,150 --> 01:22:30,970 you know gene was saying with the whole 1935 01:22:36,940 --> 01:22:34,160 UFO thing that it's a screen yes exactly 1936 01:22:39,220 --> 01:22:36,950 it's it's a symbol it's a screen for 1937 01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:39,230 something weird going on 1938 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:40,910 most definitely well there's two things 1939 01:22:45,970 --> 01:22:44,210 with the the subjective thing one is I 1940 01:22:49,810 --> 01:22:45,980 think what while we were talking about 1941 01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:49,820 all this I think a lot of answers maybe 1942 01:22:53,890 --> 01:22:51,470 not definite ones are hiding in the 1943 01:22:57,550 --> 01:22:53,900 subjectivity and the other thing is 1944 01:22:59,920 --> 01:22:57,560 things can be subjective answers clues 1945 01:23:02,230 --> 01:22:59,930 and all that can be subjective the trick 1946 01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:02,240 is to bring them back and communicate 1947 01:23:06,340 --> 01:23:04,400 that to other people in a way that makes 1948 01:23:09,250 --> 01:23:06,350 them listen instead of them just saying 1949 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:09,260 that was subjective because you can find 1950 01:23:12,820 --> 01:23:11,330 things out that are very personal to you 1951 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:12,830 and the way you found them out are very 1952 01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:15,890 personal but if you're lucky you can 1953 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:16,670 find other 1954 01:23:20,290 --> 01:23:18,170 people that have found that out or some 1955 01:23:23,169 --> 01:23:20,300 sort of information from somewhere else 1956 01:23:26,260 --> 01:23:23,179 which is becoming become a lot easier to 1957 01:23:28,570 --> 01:23:26,270 back up what your subjective impression 1958 01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:28,580 is and if you can do that I think that 1959 01:23:32,650 --> 01:23:30,380 pushes things for it a little bit sure 1960 01:23:35,650 --> 01:23:32,660 if you need to if you even need to I 1961 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:35,660 think there there's a point where one 1962 01:23:42,550 --> 01:23:38,810 crosses a Rubicon or crosses a line 1963 01:23:44,650 --> 01:23:42,560 where you no longer need to know that 1964 01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:44,660 the experience is common you no longer 1965 01:23:49,780 --> 01:23:47,270 need to convince anybody of anything you 1966 01:23:52,750 --> 01:23:49,790 know it's the you're getting what you 1967 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:52,760 need out of it personally and there's a 1968 01:23:57,640 --> 01:23:55,130 little bit of also you kind of you kind 1969 01:23:59,860 --> 01:23:57,650 of like you know what you're getting you 1970 01:24:03,220 --> 01:23:59,870 you you you feel like the experiences 1971 01:24:06,490 --> 01:24:03,230 are moving you personally along where 1972 01:24:08,410 --> 01:24:06,500 you need to be you know my view is each 1973 01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:08,420 person you know if they want to 1974 01:24:11,229 --> 01:24:09,710 experience these things if they want to 1975 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:11,239 know the truth of the reality of these 1976 01:24:14,979 --> 01:24:13,730 things go out there and expose yourself 1977 01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:14,989 to it go out there investigate it 1978 01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:16,880 yourself don't expect other people who 1979 01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:19,760 are investigating it to convince you in 1980 01:24:25,209 --> 01:24:22,520 a book or a film or whatever do your own 1981 01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:25,219 damn work is what I tell that I'm not 1982 01:24:30,700 --> 01:24:26,989 gonna do your I'm not gonna convince you 1983 01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:30,710 I have no responsibility whatsoever to 1984 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:33,110 convince anybody else you know let them 1985 01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:36,110 get out there and experience and see if 1986 01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:37,670 they can still if they and if they give 1987 01:24:42,189 --> 01:24:40,370 it a truce and see your shot right then 1988 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:42,199 I want to see them deny as much as they 1989 01:24:47,650 --> 01:24:45,410 deny yeah I just you reach a point I've 1990 01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:47,660 reached that point where I it means 1991 01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,550 little to nothing to me to convince 1992 01:24:54,490 --> 01:24:52,400 others well then we're also getting into 1993 01:24:57,220 --> 01:24:54,500 that realm that I was kind of hinting at 1994 01:24:59,380 --> 01:24:57,230 before and that that is the observer 1995 01:25:01,209 --> 01:24:59,390 effect and then by coming up with a 1996 01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:01,219 hypothesis I mean obviously the 1997 01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:03,830 scientific method is to you know try to 1998 01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,260 bolster that and and put it in such a 1999 01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:08,000 way or a formula that others can 2000 01:25:11,919 --> 01:25:10,310 replicate your results but when it gets 2001 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:11,929 into the whole realm of coming up with a 2002 01:25:17,740 --> 01:25:14,090 theory and looking for some sort of 2003 01:25:20,500 --> 01:25:17,750 subjective validation of a theory of an 2004 01:25:23,770 --> 01:25:20,510 experience of a possible you know 2005 01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:23,780 conditional elements around sightings in 2006 01:25:29,229 --> 01:25:26,030 general it's a tightrope walk between 2007 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:29,239 objectivity and subjectivity and so you 2008 01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:29,610 have to 2009 01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:31,170 really careful there are many 2010 01:25:35,300 --> 01:25:33,510 investigators out there that have become 2011 01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:35,310 firmly convinced of a particular answer 2012 01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,170 and then that has created blinders on 2013 01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,360 them and they they they're I would say 2014 01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:41,280 intellectually dishonest by going around 2015 01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:43,110 they're only collecting data that 2016 01:25:48,230 --> 01:25:45,330 supports a particular contention or 2017 01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:48,240 theory or hypothesis or or Linda Howe 2018 01:25:51,770 --> 01:25:49,920 obviously comes to mind Steven Greer I 2019 01:25:53,570 --> 01:25:51,780 mean there's people that that they have 2020 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:53,580 blinders on because they are convinced 2021 01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:55,050 that they're right and all the other 2022 01:25:59,600 --> 01:25:57,690 radar be damned I I'm only gonna present 2023 01:26:01,820 --> 01:25:59,610 the data that supports my conclusion and 2024 01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:01,830 that's that's a problem that's what you 2025 01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,140 I'd spread in the field to Kris I mean 2026 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:06,000 we can name other researchers I think as 2027 01:26:09,170 --> 01:26:08,490 much as I respect and like Stanton 2028 01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:09,180 Friedman 2029 01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:11,490 I think he's locked into a particular 2030 01:26:17,090 --> 01:26:14,550 groove and it doesn't matter he's never 2031 01:26:19,460 --> 01:26:17,100 going to change that no we have a saying 2032 01:26:21,980 --> 01:26:19,470 in the airforce flexibility is the key 2033 01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:21,990 to airpower I think that applies here 2034 01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:25,410 you you have to allow yourself to remain 2035 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:29,070 flexible and open as to you know what 2036 01:26:32,710 --> 01:26:31,290 when you make your conclusions and if 2037 01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,720 you're even going to draw conclusions 2038 01:26:37,370 --> 01:26:35,280 sometimes you know some people say and 2039 01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,380 Chris has probably heard this you hear 2040 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:39,840 people with Native American backgrounds 2041 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:42,090 say I've heard the phrase I don't get 2042 01:26:46,460 --> 01:26:44,010 too deep into my own medicine in other 2043 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:46,470 words they don't try to analyze what's 2044 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:48,810 happening too much they just experience 2045 01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:51,570 and they draw the wisdom or the 2046 01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:53,280 information that is being communicated 2047 01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:55,830 or that they're supposed to get and they 2048 01:27:01,100 --> 01:26:58,650 just don't get too deep into analyzing 2049 01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:01,110 it I have personally found that more 2050 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:05,760 happens when you keep it private and you 2051 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:08,090 don't try to draw too many conclusions 2052 01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:10,890 you know you just kind of say Here I am 2053 01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:14,130 show me this is a good spot Walter to 2054 01:27:18,260 --> 01:27:15,570 bring up a couple of questions that we 2055 01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:18,270 have in our forums where our listeners 2056 01:27:23,420 --> 01:27:20,520 and forum posters can go to the question 2057 01:27:25,310 --> 01:27:23,430 Bank and post questions for a guess this 2058 01:27:28,190 --> 01:27:25,320 one comes from Robert Burns State who's 2059 01:27:31,100 --> 01:27:28,200 one of our favorite posters he's just 2060 01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:31,110 passed the 3500 mark in posts on the 2061 01:27:35,630 --> 01:27:33,570 forums he gets the gold watch next year 2062 01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:35,640 but it's gonna be the $12 and 88 cent 2063 01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:37,890 watch that I got from Walmart I'm going 2064 01:27:41,270 --> 01:27:39,450 to get the gold version of that for him 2065 01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:41,280 well if we have time 2066 01:27:45,230 --> 01:27:42,930 go ahead and shoot a question out you 2067 01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:45,240 some might describe your work Walter is 2068 01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:46,830 a conspiracist but how do you personally 2069 01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:49,560 see the subject matter in the empire of 2070 01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:51,330 the wheel series for instance would you 2071 01:27:54,500 --> 01:27:53,010 describe it as a hidden pair of history 2072 01:27:56,690 --> 01:27:54,510 something just below the surface of 2073 01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:56,700 mainstream reality that wants to stay 2074 01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:58,800 forgotten but you are bringing it to the 2075 01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:02,520 surface to be exposed yes yeah that's 2076 01:28:07,790 --> 01:28:05,340 actually a very good description of what 2077 01:28:10,580 --> 01:28:07,800 I feel with the Empire the wheel books 2078 01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:10,590 that's pretty good is too you know what 2079 01:28:17,150 --> 01:28:13,170 it is I was doing with those yeah there 2080 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:17,160 is both a very nefarious human activity 2081 01:28:25,610 --> 01:28:21,290 going on in all that connected to some 2082 01:28:28,670 --> 01:28:25,620 paranormal stuff and it definitely wants 2083 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:28,680 to be I think it's more from it's more 2084 01:28:37,330 --> 01:28:32,610 the human motive that wants to keep it 2085 01:28:39,290 --> 01:28:37,340 in the van the the the high strangeness 2086 01:28:42,230 --> 01:28:39,300 actually is what brought it to the 2087 01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:42,240 surface to me to begin with it's it's 2088 01:28:47,390 --> 01:28:44,730 the it's the paranormal for lack of a 2089 01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:47,400 better word aspect that wants it to be 2090 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:50,490 exposed it's the human element that 2091 01:28:54,020 --> 01:28:52,410 wants to keep it buried here's an 2092 01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:54,030 interesting thing I've been in I was 2093 01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:56,610 interviewed by just about it well by 2094 01:29:03,680 --> 01:28:59,840 every paper in the San Bernardino Valley 2095 01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:03,690 except this salmonidae no paper the Sun 2096 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:07,320 which you know and notoriously is it's a 2097 01:29:11,870 --> 01:29:09,930 very weak paper I mean it it's gotten 2098 01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:11,880 even weaker over the years it's San 2099 01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:13,530 Bernardino is one of those places that 2100 01:29:20,630 --> 01:29:17,610 wants to be someplace else you know it 2101 01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:20,640 wants to be another place and the the 2102 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:22,890 San Bernardino Sun has long been a 2103 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:25,050 reflection of that you I think they'd be 2104 01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,690 the first paper to contact you yeah even 2105 01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:29,760 even if they wanted to you know trash me 2106 01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:32,670 right exactly no they they ignore it 2107 01:29:36,740 --> 01:29:35,040 they ignore the whole thing because it 2108 01:29:39,410 --> 01:29:36,750 has some stuff that's not very 2109 01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:39,420 flattering to San Bernardino history I 2110 01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:40,920 mean San Bernardino has got enough 2111 01:29:44,450 --> 01:29:42,540 problems first of all it's San 2112 01:29:47,210 --> 01:29:44,460 Bernardino and you know it's gone 2113 01:29:49,010 --> 01:29:47,220 bankrupt in the last few years and and 2114 01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:49,020 you know it's it lacks it's got a 2115 01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:50,820 leadership problem which it's always had 2116 01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:53,610 for decades and it's just it's a city 2117 01:29:56,690 --> 01:29:54,930 with issues 2118 01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,700 I think you know it probably ignores 2119 01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:58,320 what I've written because it doesn't 2120 01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:00,900 want one more thing you know tagged on 2121 01:30:08,450 --> 01:30:04,410 to it but you you know all that all that 2122 01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:08,460 stuff to say you know there's also you 2123 01:30:12,740 --> 01:30:10,170 know people that are relatives and 2124 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:12,750 descendants of some of these people you 2125 01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:14,490 know that I write about and there might 2126 01:30:19,790 --> 01:30:17,010 be an element of that where it's like 2127 01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:19,800 there's no way that they want this stuff 2128 01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:22,170 brought up let's go into more of that 2129 01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:24,810 and other things in our remaining five 2130 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:27,570 segments with Walter Bosley Greg Bishop 2131 01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:39,920 independently leading the way for the 2132 01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:42,840 nation compelling talk for every 2133 01:30:49,340 --> 01:30:46,850 political persuasion we are see and 2134 01:30:50,630 --> 01:30:49,350 first came attack of the rock codes and 2135 01:30:52,730 --> 01:30:50,640 it was a critically acclaimed success 2136 01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:52,740 and now there's the coming of the 2137 01:30:56,810 --> 01:30:54,510 protectors a former military 2138 01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:56,820 intelligence man is contacted by a space 2139 01:31:01,640 --> 01:30:59,040 woman in a dream a dream that turns out 2140 01:31:03,140 --> 01:31:01,650 to be a nightmare because evil forces on 2141 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:03,150 our distant planet are planning to 2142 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:03,930 conquer the earth 2143 01:31:09,350 --> 01:31:06,570 this is gripping science fiction of the 2144 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:09,360 classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and 2145 01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:11,250 the coming of the protectors find out 2146 01:31:18,350 --> 01:31:14,250 more and Rockets calm that's Rockets are 2147 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heart drop calm 2216 01:34:58,700 --> 01:34:56,240 hi this is Joshua p1 author of the poor 2217 01:35:01,190 --> 01:34:58,710 vans paranormal and you're listening to 2218 01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:01,200 the podcast the gold standard of 2219 01:35:15,380 --> 01:35:13,620 paranormal radio listeners way back when 2220 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:15,390 that we're thinking of having listener 2221 01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:17,610 participation in our stinger and we'll 2222 01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:19,110 set this up in the forum's maybe in the 2223 01:35:24,260 --> 01:35:22,350 next few weeks and winners will get free 2224 01:35:26,330 --> 01:35:24,270 memberships or extensions and this 2225 01:35:29,420 --> 01:35:26,340 little cast plus how's that how's that 2226 01:35:30,530 --> 01:35:29,430 grab your folks I can't wait I think 2227 01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:30,540 it's a great idea we should definitely 2228 01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:35,390 do it have a stinger contest I love it 2229 01:35:40,850 --> 01:35:38,610 well okay since we're on the subject of 2230 01:35:43,940 --> 01:35:40,860 listener questions now Walter you did 2231 01:35:45,260 --> 01:35:43,950 mention a very interesting coincidental 2232 01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:45,270 occurrence that happened when you went 2233 01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:47,610 to the quarry and then later on you went 2234 01:35:52,220 --> 01:35:49,110 to the opposite end of this particular 2235 01:35:54,290 --> 01:35:52,230 telluric current path and you had your 2236 01:35:56,630 --> 01:35:54,300 physical malady sort of disappear 2237 01:35:59,780 --> 01:35:56,640 magically this is another question from 2238 01:36:01,910 --> 01:35:59,790 burn State and what I would suggest is 2239 01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:01,920 is is is there anything else that could 2240 01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:03,570 possibly fall into this particular 2241 01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:05,550 subject matter and he he wants to know 2242 01:36:10,130 --> 01:36:07,040 if you have any reason to believe that 2243 01:36:11,930 --> 01:36:10,140 telluric currents could possibly impact 2244 01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:11,940 someone's thinking patterns or sensory 2245 01:36:15,980 --> 01:36:13,800 perceptions causing an altered 2246 01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:15,990 experience of reality now you talked 2247 01:36:19,850 --> 01:36:18,420 about a real experience of reality how 2248 01:36:23,450 --> 01:36:19,860 about an altered experience of reality 2249 01:36:25,480 --> 01:36:23,460 sure I don't see why not because you 2250 01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:25,490 know we know that we have what 2251 01:36:30,440 --> 01:36:27,570 neuroelectric I don't know that the 2252 01:36:33,620 --> 01:36:30,450 phrase for it you know in the human body 2253 01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:33,630 so naturally why not why wouldn't even 2254 01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:35,940 though current is an e.l.f extreme low 2255 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:38,400 frequency you know why not if the circum 2256 01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:40,410 the the geophysical circumstances are 2257 01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:44,250 right why wouldn't it affect perceptions 2258 01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:47,130 our or perhaps maybe if you're you know 2259 01:36:52,670 --> 01:36:49,170 in a particular spot they could be 2260 01:36:54,430 --> 01:36:52,680 manipulated by a third party sure you 2261 01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,440 know absolutely I'd like to note that 2262 01:36:58,350 --> 01:36:56,320 what I learned 2263 01:37:01,919 --> 01:36:58,360 about not Rubidoux and the tiller 2264 01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:01,929 current there I did not know until well 2265 01:37:07,050 --> 01:37:04,210 after this experience this is not 2266 01:37:08,850 --> 01:37:07,060 something that I was aware of the spiral 2267 01:37:11,069 --> 01:37:08,860 of energy and stuff connected with Mount 2268 01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:11,079 Rubidoux and then I had the experience 2269 01:37:14,879 --> 01:37:12,670 so this is all kind of back back 2270 01:37:16,530 --> 01:37:14,889 engineering the experience then yeah 2271 01:37:20,220 --> 01:37:16,540 here's what it's like it's like the 2272 01:37:22,260 --> 01:37:20,230 experience happened to make me look at 2273 01:37:24,300 --> 01:37:22,270 that or to point me in a certain 2274 01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:24,310 direction and that's what a lot of these 2275 01:37:28,740 --> 01:37:26,530 experiences have been for me I have the 2276 01:37:30,990 --> 01:37:28,750 experience first which is very weird and 2277 01:37:33,450 --> 01:37:31,000 strange and then when I look deeper I 2278 01:37:35,010 --> 01:37:33,460 find something it's not the other way 2279 01:37:37,140 --> 01:37:35,020 around where you know even I would 2280 01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,150 question if someone said well I was 2281 01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:38,560 doing this research and I found where 2282 01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,210 there was energy and then I had a weird 2283 01:37:45,300 --> 01:37:42,639 experience I'd say oh okay you know I 2284 01:37:48,149 --> 01:37:45,310 mean I get where the skeptics are coming 2285 01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:48,159 from I do what I just don't get is the 2286 01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:55,570 the religious devotion to it but yeah I 2287 01:38:03,500 --> 01:37:59,050 don't see why at all that telluric 2288 01:38:06,569 --> 01:38:03,510 current couldn't affect our perceptions 2289 01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,579 absolutely I think maybe even people are 2290 01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:08,320 drawn to these things so that their 2291 01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:10,840 perceptions can be messed with asking 2292 01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:12,369 for it then are you saying that they're 2293 01:38:18,330 --> 01:38:14,440 asking to have their perceptions messed 2294 01:38:20,370 --> 01:38:18,340 with well when I say messed with define 2295 01:38:22,500 --> 01:38:20,380 necessarily you know as in the the 2296 01:38:26,220 --> 01:38:22,510 negative sense but I think there is a 2297 01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:26,230 natural human desire to touch the 2298 01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:30,489 extraordinary to know or experience or 2299 01:38:36,450 --> 01:38:33,570 or wonder if there is something beyond 2300 01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:36,460 that part of the material spectrum that 2301 01:38:43,819 --> 01:38:40,630 we can all see feel hear and say most 2302 01:38:46,290 --> 01:38:43,829 people sublimate that if that's a common 2303 01:38:48,899 --> 01:38:46,300 scares them yeah I think most people 2304 01:38:50,910 --> 01:38:48,909 actually go into denial and it's like 2305 01:38:53,069 --> 01:38:50,920 the cat that covers its eyes when it's 2306 01:38:55,530 --> 01:38:53,079 being dive-bombed by a bird because if I 2307 01:38:57,810 --> 01:38:55,540 can't see it it's not there yeah and I I 2308 01:39:00,000 --> 01:38:57,820 think a lot not all but I think a lot of 2309 01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:00,010 your so-called skeptic people what it is 2310 01:39:04,319 --> 01:39:01,690 is they're afraid they may not 2311 01:39:08,399 --> 01:39:04,329 consciously realize that it's fear but 2312 01:39:09,660 --> 01:39:08,409 it's a fear of several that I know 2313 01:39:11,370 --> 01:39:09,670 personally 2314 01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,380 the people that I know you know my 2315 01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:13,600 closest friends that are that have 2316 01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:16,570 skeptical outlooks or in some cases you 2317 01:39:22,229 --> 01:39:19,570 know just flat-out attitudes you know I 2318 01:39:23,939 --> 01:39:22,239 know them I know their lives and I know 2319 01:39:25,919 --> 01:39:23,949 them well enough to know what they're 2320 01:39:27,390 --> 01:39:25,929 afraid of and what they're afraid of is 2321 01:39:30,180 --> 01:39:27,400 not having a handle 2322 01:39:33,390 --> 01:39:30,190 there's comedian bill burr and in his 2323 01:39:35,070 --> 01:39:33,400 routine he jokes about you know how men 2324 01:39:36,689 --> 01:39:35,080 react to things differently than women 2325 01:39:37,979 --> 01:39:36,699 do and he's talking about being on a 2326 01:39:40,169 --> 01:39:37,989 plane when they hit a bunch of 2327 01:39:42,030 --> 01:39:40,179 turbulence and this guy lets out this 2328 01:39:43,709 --> 01:39:42,040 scream that you know sounds like a girl 2329 01:39:45,419 --> 01:39:43,719 scream and he turns to the guy and he 2330 01:39:48,060 --> 01:39:45,429 says come on man get ahold of yourself 2331 01:39:50,340 --> 01:39:48,070 be a man act like you have an answer 2332 01:39:51,810 --> 01:39:50,350 even when you don't you know that kind 2333 01:39:54,540 --> 01:39:51,820 of thing and that's what I'm getting to 2334 01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:54,550 is a lot of these guys that's what it is 2335 01:39:58,890 --> 01:39:56,530 they want to they got to have a handle 2336 01:40:01,620 --> 01:39:58,900 and they come from that attitude that 2337 01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:01,630 act like you have an answer even if you 2338 01:40:06,959 --> 01:40:04,540 don't because they have this fear of not 2339 01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:06,969 having the answer they have this fear of 2340 01:40:11,340 --> 01:40:09,850 not having the handle on everything so 2341 01:40:13,709 --> 01:40:11,350 what they'll do is they'll just tell 2342 01:40:17,070 --> 01:40:13,719 themselves oh this is garbage and that's 2343 01:40:18,689 --> 01:40:17,080 nonsense and that's BS just because they 2344 01:40:20,729 --> 01:40:18,699 don't want to deal with it really when 2345 01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:20,739 you get down to it they don't want to do 2346 01:40:26,939 --> 01:40:23,650 it now in in some cases yeah it might be 2347 01:40:28,590 --> 01:40:26,949 BS it might be that they simply are you 2348 01:40:32,100 --> 01:40:28,600 know truly not convinced notice that I 2349 01:40:36,419 --> 01:40:32,110 said a lot or some I didn't say all are 2350 01:40:38,100 --> 01:40:36,429 this way but I think fear of it may be 2351 01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:38,110 experiencing something they can't handle 2352 01:40:43,919 --> 01:40:40,739 even if it's a subconscious fear of that 2353 01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:43,929 you find that some of these regular 2354 01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:46,270 skeptics or professional skeptics are 2355 01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:49,449 strangely drawn to the subject even if 2356 01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:51,910 as you say they're fearful that it might 2357 01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:56,770 be truthful uh-huh why do these guys 2358 01:41:02,040 --> 01:40:59,440 show up so much like in the forms why do 2359 01:41:03,630 --> 01:41:02,050 they listen to this stuff so much I'm 2360 01:41:06,419 --> 01:41:03,640 talking about the more rabid ones that 2361 01:41:10,290 --> 01:41:06,429 think it's all a bunch of BS why really 2362 01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:10,300 do they just are they unable to resist 2363 01:41:14,850 --> 01:41:12,910 listening and reading and interacting 2364 01:41:16,860 --> 01:41:14,860 with this stuff it's because reckon that 2365 01:41:18,390 --> 01:41:16,870 a fatal car accident you know some 2366 01:41:20,669 --> 01:41:18,400 people are just fascinated with train 2367 01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:20,679 wrecks and well but people's inability 2368 01:41:25,770 --> 01:41:23,440 to actually use 2369 01:41:28,620 --> 01:41:25,780 some sort of powers of discernment you 2370 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:28,630 know and and some you know is is just 2371 01:41:33,180 --> 01:41:30,850 that but I I would venture to say that 2372 01:41:34,860 --> 01:41:33,190 you know it's you know what Jean said 2373 01:41:37,980 --> 01:41:34,870 there's that there there's something 2374 01:41:40,110 --> 01:41:37,990 drawing them because I think somewhere 2375 01:41:41,730 --> 01:41:40,120 inside it's the phrase you know I want 2376 01:41:44,370 --> 01:41:41,740 to believe and there's skeptics out 2377 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:44,380 there that admit that they want to the 2378 01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:46,810 more positive ones they want certain 2379 01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:48,640 things to be real they really do they 2380 01:41:53,190 --> 01:41:51,550 want ET to be real they and what it is 2381 01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:53,200 is they're trying to be reasonable about 2382 01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:55,570 discerning okay let's separate the wheat 2383 01:42:00,480 --> 01:41:57,730 from the chaff so I mean I don't I don't 2384 01:42:03,180 --> 01:42:00,490 paint skeptics with a broad brush but 2385 01:42:05,340 --> 01:42:03,190 there's a certain portion of them that 2386 01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:05,350 that that really can be and those guys 2387 01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:07,510 should be disregarded well the ones like 2388 01:42:12,300 --> 01:42:09,520 lance moody and and there's several that 2389 01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,310 I think are doing providing a valuable 2390 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:14,560 service yeah for the field because 2391 01:42:17,670 --> 01:42:16,570 they're weeding out some of the people 2392 01:42:19,710 --> 01:42:17,680 you know it's like the Emperor's on 2393 01:42:21,540 --> 01:42:19,720 parade you need somebody to run up and 2394 01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:21,550 say hey look you don't have any clothes 2395 01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:24,250 on you know who's your tailor I think 2396 01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:26,980 they do in some cases provide a valuable 2397 01:42:32,730 --> 01:42:29,710 service the outing of fillin Braga would 2398 01:42:35,610 --> 01:42:32,740 be the obvious example with Lance Phil 2399 01:42:38,190 --> 01:42:35,620 class was involved in exposing some 2400 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:38,200 pretty pretty interesting individuals 2401 01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:40,330 and cases over the years absolutely you 2402 01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:42,130 know I think I think the subject is is 2403 01:42:47,310 --> 01:42:44,050 like a flame and we're all Moz sort of 2404 01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:47,320 flitting around and some mods are smart 2405 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:49,870 enough not to get burned others you know 2406 01:42:55,380 --> 01:42:53,410 aren't and unfortunately we do have a 2407 01:42:57,060 --> 01:42:55,390 lot of a lack of critical thinking in 2408 01:43:01,490 --> 01:42:57,070 the field there's a lot of people that 2409 01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:01,500 are only in it to titillate their own 2410 01:43:06,330 --> 01:43:04,090 amusement centers and their their 2411 01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:06,340 psyches and and they try to pull fast 2412 01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:09,310 ones and you know it just it's it's such 2413 01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:11,890 a morass you start adding in angles of 2414 01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:14,250 prop possible disinformation 2415 01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:17,590 psychological operations and that kind 2416 01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:21,280 of brings me to to a question here from 2417 01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:23,340 dissection stalker who's one of our 2418 01:43:28,230 --> 01:43:25,930 posters that formed out the podcast calm 2419 01:43:28,940 --> 01:43:28,240 I won't get into the definition of that 2420 01:43:33,210 --> 01:43:28,950 name 2421 01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,220 dissection stalker well he likes to pull 2422 01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,440 things apart and any and he's he's a 2423 01:43:38,549 --> 01:43:37,119 real devil's advocate and he's 2424 01:43:42,689 --> 01:43:38,559 very convinced that a lot of this stuff 2425 01:43:44,310 --> 01:43:42,699 is very human generated that there's a 2426 01:43:47,129 --> 01:43:44,320 lot more manipulation within the culture 2427 01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:47,139 by certain elements shadowy elements 2428 01:43:52,619 --> 01:43:49,090 within the military-industrial complex 2429 01:43:53,449 --> 01:43:52,629 the the intelligence communities and 2430 01:43:56,609 --> 01:43:53,459 whatnot but 2431 01:43:59,879 --> 01:43:56,619 he's asking both you guys if you think 2432 01:44:02,669 --> 01:43:59,889 it's likely that the so called UFO waves 2433 01:44:04,500 --> 01:44:02,679 over the years since 47 may have been 2434 01:44:08,459 --> 01:44:04,510 psychological operations or propaganda 2435 01:44:10,619 --> 01:44:08,469 messaging that's run on to the public 2436 01:44:12,830 --> 01:44:10,629 and or Russians that were planned by the 2437 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:12,840 military or military industrial complex 2438 01:44:18,929 --> 01:44:16,090 think tanks assuming human causes can 2439 01:44:21,540 --> 01:44:18,939 you speculate what any UFO wave may have 2440 01:44:23,699 --> 01:44:21,550 been about if that's the case you know 2441 01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:23,709 what let's just pause for a break here 2442 01:44:28,049 --> 01:44:25,570 and then answer this question this is 2443 01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:28,059 too convoluted and too involved to 2444 01:44:34,169 --> 01:44:32,530 answer in 40 seconds fast and then we 2445 01:44:36,209 --> 01:44:34,179 can of course do it as a chorus so each 2446 01:44:38,580 --> 01:44:36,219 one gets their own points of view I do 2447 01:44:41,100 --> 01:44:38,590 want you to check the power cast plus 2448 01:44:43,979 --> 01:44:41,110 out to 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opened up by Chris yep I'll restate it 2519 01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:07,270 very quickly very shortly because people 2520 01:48:10,770 --> 01:48:09,130 heard it already right well in other 2521 01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:10,780 words do you think it's likely that some 2522 01:48:16,410 --> 01:48:13,360 of these UFO waves have been we'd 2523 01:48:18,090 --> 01:48:16,420 psychological ops or a propaganda that's 2524 01:48:20,670 --> 01:48:18,100 been run on the on the American people 2525 01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:20,680 or possibly by the Russians and assuming 2526 01:48:24,990 --> 01:48:23,320 this is so why do you think this is 2527 01:48:28,110 --> 01:48:25,000 happening what are these UFOs about 2528 01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:28,120 these waves what's what's the endgame on 2529 01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:29,890 this well that's a question that you 2530 01:48:34,440 --> 01:48:32,170 know has been answered a lot over the 2531 01:48:36,090 --> 01:48:34,450 last I think more than a few years 2532 01:48:37,470 --> 01:48:36,100 there's been books written on this yeah 2533 01:48:41,690 --> 01:48:37,480 of course 2534 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:41,700 but I I think that it's manipulation 2535 01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:45,970 included in other sources of it it's not 2536 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:49,690 just that I would lean more towards less 2537 01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:51,610 that it's the Russians doing something 2538 01:48:57,150 --> 01:48:53,650 on us than it is 2539 01:49:00,120 --> 01:48:57,160 you know our own I'm intrigued currently 2540 01:49:02,310 --> 01:49:00,130 with the theory the the the the whole 2541 01:49:06,230 --> 01:49:02,320 connected with the Carol rosin story 2542 01:49:10,140 --> 01:49:06,240 about Wernher von Braun and what he said 2543 01:49:12,540 --> 01:49:10,150 the plan was and that we're entering I 2544 01:49:15,150 --> 01:49:12,550 believe the fourth third or fourth stage 2545 01:49:17,780 --> 01:49:15,160 and that being that you know there would 2546 01:49:19,860 --> 01:49:17,790 be Cold War and then there would be 2547 01:49:22,020 --> 01:49:19,870 terrorism and then there would be 2548 01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:22,030 nations of concern and then there would 2549 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:24,130 be an asteroid threat and then finally 2550 01:49:29,490 --> 01:49:26,410 there would be a trumped up so-called ET 2551 01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:29,500 threat I'm presently very intrigued with 2552 01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,800 that idea so therefore at this point in 2553 01:49:38,280 --> 01:49:34,480 time my answer would be that the whole 2554 01:49:41,030 --> 01:49:38,290 UFO wave thing might very well be a lot 2555 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:41,040 of it fabricated or whatever is real 2556 01:49:47,460 --> 01:49:45,010 manipulated to serve that end when they 2557 01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:47,470 reach the point in the so-called plan 2558 01:49:52,230 --> 01:49:49,690 where they want to convince everybody 2559 01:49:54,660 --> 01:49:52,240 the masses or whatever that there is an 2560 01:49:58,030 --> 01:49:54,670 ET threat and here this will be after 2561 01:50:00,100 --> 01:49:58,040 decades of the whole UFO experi 2562 01:50:02,290 --> 01:50:00,110 Ariane's having been experienced by 2563 01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:02,300 generations and generations of people 2564 01:50:07,900 --> 01:50:05,570 around the world so that it's the ruse 2565 01:50:11,710 --> 01:50:07,910 the plan is more believable when it is 2566 01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:11,720 finally applied and anyway that's what 2567 01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:14,330 I'm presently thinking and intrigued 2568 01:50:18,190 --> 01:50:16,880 with that's I think that's that's a good 2569 01:50:20,260 --> 01:50:18,200 answer and that leads me to another 2570 01:50:22,810 --> 01:50:20,270 question from dissection stalker and 2571 01:50:24,910 --> 01:50:22,820 he's he's asking can you agree that the 2572 01:50:28,180 --> 01:50:24,920 military-industrial complex and the 2573 01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,190 military will go that far and and for 2574 01:50:32,230 --> 01:50:29,840 what reason is it to help sustain 2575 01:50:34,030 --> 01:50:32,240 military budgets and create exotic 2576 01:50:36,100 --> 01:50:34,040 futuristic weapons what would be the 2577 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:36,110 motivation to do this besides some sort 2578 01:50:42,730 --> 01:50:38,930 of you know I don't know kind of weird 2579 01:50:44,050 --> 01:50:42,740 sort of vaporous cultural control or 2580 01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:44,060 something well what would be the 2581 01:50:51,220 --> 01:50:49,130 rationale the rationale you have to the 2582 01:50:53,770 --> 01:50:51,230 idea that this all starts with the 2583 01:50:56,830 --> 01:50:53,780 military or a military objective or 2584 01:51:00,970 --> 01:50:56,840 vision is erroneous the people who would 2585 01:51:02,890 --> 01:51:00,980 do this to us as a social body for the 2586 01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:02,900 social control we're talking more 2587 01:51:09,310 --> 01:51:06,410 politicians people elitist within you 2588 01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:09,320 know the financial world but politicians 2589 01:51:14,290 --> 01:51:11,690 those are the people that you know the 2590 01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:14,300 the military they respond to military 2591 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:16,850 objectives they develop these things for 2592 01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:19,850 honestly for military objectives now I'm 2593 01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,070 not naive I'm not saying that you know 2594 01:51:27,550 --> 01:51:26,000 there isn't some type of manipulation of 2595 01:51:29,860 --> 01:51:27,560 public perception of military technology 2596 01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:29,870 of course there is I've talked about it 2597 01:51:35,110 --> 01:51:32,450 myself in the past I mean I'm on record 2598 01:51:37,210 --> 01:51:35,120 saying that the Air Force so why not let 2599 01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:37,220 people think it's UFOs and little green 2600 01:51:42,940 --> 01:51:39,410 men are greys or whatever because you 2601 01:51:45,550 --> 01:51:42,950 know if it camouflages a platform a 2602 01:51:48,730 --> 01:51:45,560 secret classified advanced technology 2603 01:51:51,190 --> 01:51:48,740 platform you know so much the better you 2604 01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:51,200 know anything nefarious as far as 2605 01:51:54,700 --> 01:51:53,090 manipulating controlling the people I'm 2606 01:51:57,190 --> 01:51:54,710 telling you that's gonna come from 2607 01:51:59,680 --> 01:51:57,200 politicians that's not gonna come from 2608 01:52:02,590 --> 01:51:59,690 well corporations I think politicians 2609 01:52:05,020 --> 01:52:02,600 are just puppets to the globe and I said 2610 01:52:07,300 --> 01:52:05,030 about the financial world you know but 2611 01:52:11,330 --> 01:52:07,310 but let's not you know let's not just 2612 01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:11,340 blame you know Western capitalists 2613 01:52:15,770 --> 01:52:14,370 entities for it you know well first of 2614 01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:15,780 all there's more capitalist now in the 2615 01:52:22,130 --> 01:52:19,560 Eastern world too but it's that's why 2616 01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:22,140 again you go back to people who want to 2617 01:52:28,430 --> 01:52:25,050 be what's the word social engineering 2618 01:52:32,810 --> 01:52:28,440 it's social engineers the elitists who 2619 01:52:35,510 --> 01:52:32,820 use social engineering that we really 2620 01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:35,520 got a look at and they're more than 2621 01:52:39,190 --> 01:52:37,380 happy just like the military would be 2622 01:52:41,210 --> 01:52:39,200 more than happy to let you think that 2623 01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:41,220 advanced technology is from another 2624 01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:44,250 world it's the social engineers that are 2625 01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:46,020 more than happy to let you think that 2626 01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:49,290 it's some evil general or some evil 2627 01:52:53,780 --> 01:52:52,770 corporate CEO what it is is a lot of 2628 01:52:56,330 --> 01:52:53,790 these guys are all in bed with each 2629 01:52:58,700 --> 01:52:56,340 other you know it's kind of hard for me 2630 01:53:00,920 --> 01:52:58,710 to imagine a Kenneth lay or somebody or 2631 01:53:03,110 --> 01:53:00,930 Lee Iacocca you know coming up with 2632 01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:03,120 these fantastic scenarios of 2633 01:53:08,090 --> 01:53:06,840 manipulating fear-based belief some of 2634 01:53:11,390 --> 01:53:08,100 might go along with it if there's a 2635 01:53:12,440 --> 01:53:11,400 profit you know what do you think Greg I 2636 01:53:14,060 --> 01:53:12,450 mean you've been you've been sitting 2637 01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:14,070 here pretty quiet through the last 2638 01:53:19,220 --> 01:53:16,650 segment or so I mean do you do you feel 2639 01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:19,230 that there's a validity to this and if 2640 01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:21,420 so what would you add if there is some 2641 01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:22,530 validity to it 2642 01:53:28,190 --> 01:53:26,130 for me it's irrelevant it's irrelevant 2643 01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:28,200 to the if you want to know how you know 2644 01:53:33,230 --> 01:53:30,060 we were just discussing you guys were 2645 01:53:36,590 --> 01:53:33,240 just discussing how that perception is 2646 01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:36,600 used amongst you know the powers that be 2647 01:53:42,590 --> 01:53:38,850 that it has nothing to do with what the 2648 01:53:45,500 --> 01:53:42,600 what the what the source of the mystery 2649 01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:45,510 is and you will not find a person that 2650 01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:47,370 was more invested in studying how the 2651 01:53:54,020 --> 01:53:51,750 government uses the UFO phenomenon to to 2652 01:53:56,930 --> 01:53:54,030 their ends especially to cover up 2653 01:53:59,420 --> 01:53:56,940 advanced technology yeah that goes on I 2654 01:54:02,180 --> 01:53:59,430 think it still goes on but that is 2655 01:54:05,210 --> 01:54:02,190 completely separate from the idea of 2656 01:54:08,570 --> 01:54:05,220 what the what the phenomenon is how it 2657 01:54:12,290 --> 01:54:08,580 affects us and how we're going to 2658 01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:12,300 understand it you're making a real 2659 01:54:18,020 --> 01:54:15,290 demarcation line a distinction between 2660 01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:18,030 between the real core of the phenomena 2661 01:54:21,230 --> 01:54:20,010 and and possibly manipulation of other 2662 01:54:24,410 --> 01:54:21,240 things surrounding it 2663 01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:24,420 yeah exactly and the other thing is it 2664 01:54:29,630 --> 01:54:24,810 would 2665 01:54:32,690 --> 01:54:29,640 hell of a lot of convincing not just the 2666 01:54:34,460 --> 01:54:32,700 government saying oh UFOs are here that 2667 01:54:36,170 --> 01:54:34,470 that's fine but you know whatever 2668 01:54:38,090 --> 01:54:36,180 you know when when they talk about 2669 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:38,100 earthly things about like we were saying 2670 01:54:43,220 --> 01:54:41,370 like unemployment and Wars and and what 2671 01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:43,230 politicians do and who's paying off whom 2672 01:54:48,590 --> 01:54:45,450 that's all stuff we know about we've 2673 01:54:50,270 --> 01:54:48,600 seen it we've experienced it a precious 2674 01:54:53,140 --> 01:54:50,280 few people have experienced a UFO 2675 01:54:55,730 --> 01:54:53,150 sighting comparatively so as a tool for 2676 01:54:57,710 --> 01:54:55,740 some kind of propaganda I don't know how 2677 01:54:59,840 --> 01:54:57,720 well it would work I could be totally 2678 01:55:02,630 --> 01:54:59,850 wrong but you're taking something that 2679 01:55:05,450 --> 01:55:02,640 most people think is you know either 2680 01:55:07,010 --> 01:55:05,460 questionable or you know unprovable or 2681 01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:07,020 whatever and then using it as a tool of 2682 01:55:12,500 --> 01:55:10,410 policy now if it affects enough of the 2683 01:55:16,820 --> 01:55:12,510 population where it can be useful then I 2684 01:55:19,450 --> 01:55:16,830 guess it can be useful but as a 2685 01:55:21,980 --> 01:55:19,460 widespread way of controlling people 2686 01:55:24,050 --> 01:55:21,990 manipulating the the perception of the 2687 01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:24,060 UFO phenomenon I think is low on the 2688 01:55:30,170 --> 01:55:28,380 list what about just psychological 2689 01:55:32,090 --> 01:55:30,180 experiments to see how people would 2690 01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:32,100 react to this and I bring up abductions 2691 01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:37,050 as a possible example where these events 2692 01:55:43,670 --> 01:55:41,490 are manipulated to determine just why or 2693 01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,680 how people would react if they had some 2694 01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:46,080 kind of alien contact yeah totally 2695 01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:48,960 possible and and useful and much sillier 2696 01:55:52,910 --> 01:55:50,970 and more esoteric things have been done 2697 01:55:56,410 --> 01:55:52,920 to people in the name of mind control 2698 01:55:59,840 --> 01:55:56,420 and and espionage and all that so yeah 2699 01:56:01,700 --> 01:55:59,850 I'm completely convinced almost a 2700 01:56:03,830 --> 01:56:01,710 hundred percent that abductions 2701 01:56:08,150 --> 01:56:03,840 phenomenon in the UFO phenomenon has 2702 01:56:09,860 --> 01:56:08,160 been used as a you know has been studied 2703 01:56:12,290 --> 01:56:09,870 as a tool of psychological warfare and 2704 01:56:16,040 --> 01:56:12,300 has been used but not and I don't know 2705 01:56:18,050 --> 01:56:16,050 how widespread it's been it but you know 2706 01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:18,060 as a data point for whoever wants to 2707 01:56:23,660 --> 01:56:21,330 find that out you know being people in 2708 01:56:25,250 --> 01:56:23,670 private industry and the government yeah 2709 01:56:27,260 --> 01:56:25,260 it'd be it'd be very valuable to know 2710 01:56:28,970 --> 01:56:27,270 those things and like I said I'm sure 2711 01:56:31,820 --> 01:56:28,980 it's been done to some extent I think 2712 01:56:33,590 --> 01:56:31,830 the extent to which it's been done I do 2713 01:56:37,310 --> 01:56:33,600 agree with Greg the small extent which 2714 01:56:38,540 --> 01:56:37,320 it's been done is the the point at which 2715 01:56:41,810 --> 01:56:38,550 the ink was 2716 01:56:46,609 --> 01:56:41,820 injected into the water and the public 2717 01:56:48,740 --> 01:56:46,619 reaction and this whole thing that the 2718 01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:48,750 the public has created in its interest 2719 01:56:56,299 --> 01:56:54,000 is is the spreading of that ink if is 2720 01:56:58,430 --> 01:56:56,309 does that make sense where is the 2721 01:57:02,120 --> 01:56:58,440 injection point is the small little 2722 01:57:05,000 --> 01:57:02,130 point at which manipulation did take 2723 01:57:07,459 --> 01:57:05,010 place right is where that being spreads 2724 01:57:10,520 --> 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--> 02:02:03,080 podcast.com Jean and Chris Walter and 2837 02:02:08,470 --> 02:02:07,100 Greg answering your questions Chris well 2838 02:02:11,860 --> 02:02:08,480 this is a really good one this comes 2839 02:02:14,140 --> 02:02:11,870 from a Raven's fee who has been a forum 2840 02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:14,150 poster for over a year and has only 2841 02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:17,450 asked only posted 25 messages and you 2842 02:02:23,230 --> 02:02:19,490 you brought ravens fee out of the the 2843 02:02:25,540 --> 02:02:23,240 closet here with this question in its 2844 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:25,550 addressed to Walter but I think I'd like 2845 02:02:28,420 --> 02:02:27,530 to get Greg's take on this as well but 2846 02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:28,430 first you Walter 2847 02:02:33,340 --> 02:02:31,430 she goes not including you but many of 2848 02:02:35,650 --> 02:02:33,350 the current proponents of American 2849 02:02:37,720 --> 02:02:35,660 conspiracy theories appear at least to 2850 02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:37,730 someone from the UK such as Ravens fee 2851 02:02:43,150 --> 02:02:41,210 to be incredibly right-wing in the UK 2852 02:02:44,650 --> 02:02:43,160 and much of Europe conspiracy theories 2853 02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:44,660 are more likely to be associated with 2854 02:02:49,630 --> 02:02:46,970 the left would you agree with this 2855 02:02:51,970 --> 02:02:49,640 characterization and what if anything do 2856 02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:51,980 you think this tells us about conspiracy 2857 02:02:57,130 --> 02:02:53,930 theories in their dissemination good 2858 02:02:59,860 --> 02:02:57,140 question yeah that is well being mostly 2859 02:03:02,200 --> 02:02:59,870 able to speak you know as for the 2860 02:03:04,530 --> 02:03:02,210 American side you know that's a very 2861 02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:04,540 good observation most of the real 2862 02:03:11,530 --> 02:03:08,650 serious conspiracy theorists I know are 2863 02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:11,540 very far to the right that is 2864 02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:14,410 interesting that that's I'm not sure 2865 02:03:21,010 --> 02:03:18,650 maybe it's because the human need to 2866 02:03:23,890 --> 02:03:21,020 have the when things aren't going the 2867 02:03:26,100 --> 02:03:23,900 way people want them to go there is this 2868 02:03:29,460 --> 02:03:26,110 this human need to have a 2869 02:03:33,330 --> 02:03:29,470 villain you know have a big bad wolf you 2870 02:03:38,130 --> 02:03:33,340 know so they're looking for that and Wow 2871 02:03:40,440 --> 02:03:38,140 I did the question stumped me about this 2872 02:03:42,930 --> 02:03:40,450 I think in America the left-wing 2873 02:03:45,630 --> 02:03:42,940 conspiracy theorists and buffs if you 2874 02:03:48,420 --> 02:03:45,640 will they point to the right wing and 2875 02:03:54,690 --> 02:03:48,430 say that there at the at the core of a 2876 02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:54,700 lot of these consortiums agree with the 2877 02:03:58,440 --> 02:03:56,440 characterization of the conspiracy 2878 02:04:00,360 --> 02:03:58,450 theorists in America being being all you 2879 02:04:02,100 --> 02:04:00,370 know mostly right-wing there's plenty of 2880 02:04:03,390 --> 02:04:02,110 left-wing conspiracy theorists but they 2881 02:04:06,210 --> 02:04:03,400 blame the right wing for the 2882 02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:06,220 conspiracies good point I didn't look at 2883 02:04:10,710 --> 02:04:08,080 it that way yeah that's that's true 2884 02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:10,720 that's true I guess I'd agree with the 2885 02:04:14,930 --> 02:04:13,330 characterization in general and it goes 2886 02:04:17,010 --> 02:04:14,940 back for a long time I mean a lot of the 2887 02:04:19,410 --> 02:04:17,020 interstellar banker stuff from that 2888 02:04:21,150 --> 02:04:19,420 1850s and all that those were kind of 2889 02:04:22,620 --> 02:04:21,160 right-wing to I guess if you really 2890 02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:22,630 wanted to characterize them but the 2891 02:04:26,010 --> 02:04:23,890 first thing I think of what somebody 2892 02:04:28,620 --> 02:04:26,020 asked like that a question like that is 2893 02:04:31,980 --> 02:04:28,630 um there's an old illustration in one of 2894 02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:31,990 the SubGenius books there's a picture of 2895 02:04:35,070 --> 02:04:33,610 these like left and right wing people 2896 02:04:37,980 --> 02:04:35,080 arguing with each other at least a 2897 02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:37,990 continuing of them and way way way over 2898 02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:40,090 on the crazy side of the left wing wing 2899 02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:42,130 and way way way way over on the crazy 2900 02:04:48,030 --> 02:04:45,760 side of the right wing they meet and 2901 02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:48,040 they become the same thing and that's 2902 02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:49,570 kind of how I look at it I mean it's 2903 02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:51,490 like Arizona politics it's so right-wing 2904 02:04:58,850 --> 02:04:56,800 it's actually left-wing and you know so 2905 02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,860 you know you have a choice you can go 2906 02:05:07,290 --> 02:05:01,360 359° around the circle you can just turn 2907 02:05:10,340 --> 02:05:07,300 around okay we have some interesting 2908 02:05:13,980 --> 02:05:10,350 questions again from bird state he's 2909 02:05:17,100 --> 02:05:13,990 pointing out Chris Bukowski --zz UFO 2910 02:05:19,170 --> 02:05:17,110 survey from 2014 and according to that 2911 02:05:21,330 --> 02:05:19,180 survey UFO case reports have been on the 2912 02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:21,340 rise with a spike in 2012 that saw 2913 02:05:26,340 --> 02:05:24,130 double the amount of case reports and I 2914 02:05:27,480 --> 02:05:26,350 think last year we had quite in the 2915 02:05:30,390 --> 02:05:27,490 beginning of this show we've had quite a 2916 02:05:32,430 --> 02:05:30,400 surge in in sightings so what percentage 2917 02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:32,440 of cases do you feel are influenced by 2918 02:05:37,230 --> 02:05:34,690 the media some sort of cultural 2919 02:05:39,190 --> 02:05:37,240 programming or let's say experimental 2920 02:05:41,950 --> 02:05:39,200 craft versus actual 2921 02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:41,960 weird things being seen can we even make 2922 02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:43,970 that determination can we look and say 2923 02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:47,650 well probably the media's is propagating 2924 02:05:53,140 --> 02:05:49,820 reports from people that want to have 2925 02:05:55,030 --> 02:05:53,150 unusual experiences do you think that 2926 02:05:57,850 --> 02:05:55,040 we're seeing an actual rise in activity 2927 02:06:00,910 --> 02:05:57,860 after a kind of a lull here for the last 2928 02:06:03,190 --> 02:06:00,920 10 or so years or do you think that that 2929 02:06:05,980 --> 02:06:03,200 it's just all media induced uh you know 2930 02:06:08,170 --> 02:06:05,990 wanna wanna believe type energy here 2931 02:06:09,580 --> 02:06:08,180 what do you guys think I think there's a 2932 02:06:12,670 --> 02:06:09,590 that's kind of a two-part question 2933 02:06:16,630 --> 02:06:12,680 though to me the first part is the the 2934 02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:16,640 amount of activity just depends on the 2935 02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:20,330 cycle of you know the media or public 2936 02:06:24,910 --> 02:06:22,880 interest in the subject uh you know I 2937 02:06:28,180 --> 02:06:24,920 think the stuff just continues to go on 2938 02:06:30,190 --> 02:06:28,190 but the other part of that is and this 2939 02:06:33,460 --> 02:06:30,200 can affect the numbers of sightings to 2940 02:06:35,230 --> 02:06:33,470 to contradict what I just said I think I 2941 02:06:37,360 --> 02:06:35,240 like to be simple about this because 2942 02:06:40,810 --> 02:06:37,370 it's the way I view it 2943 02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:40,820 I think it's 90% human technology 10% 2944 02:06:46,150 --> 02:06:43,130 something strange in otherworldly though 2945 02:06:49,180 --> 02:06:46,160 I usually Wow yeah what do you think 2946 02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:49,190 great well I think that if there is an 2947 02:06:52,150 --> 02:06:50,570 uptick in things I mean there's been 2948 02:06:54,760 --> 02:06:52,160 enough media coverage of this for many 2949 02:06:56,980 --> 02:06:54,770 years I don't know why there would be 2950 02:06:58,720 --> 02:06:56,990 more now or less than another other 2951 02:07:00,400 --> 02:06:58,730 times I don't think that I don't think 2952 02:07:03,030 --> 02:07:00,410 that's what it is I think that there are 2953 02:07:06,610 --> 02:07:03,040 probably some other factors going into 2954 02:07:08,260 --> 02:07:06,620 what's reported also the other thing is 2955 02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:08,270 if something's reported that seems to 2956 02:07:12,970 --> 02:07:10,250 fit in with the what people expect 2957 02:07:14,950 --> 02:07:12,980 then it's reported and participating if 2958 02:07:16,510 --> 02:07:14,960 it doesn't if it's something very 2959 02:07:19,780 --> 02:07:16,520 strange and off the you know off the 2960 02:07:21,760 --> 02:07:19,790 beaten path and you know just it doesn't 2961 02:07:24,970 --> 02:07:21,770 sound right and sounds like a dream and 2962 02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:24,980 sounds completely absurd yeah yeah 2963 02:07:28,210 --> 02:07:26,510 nobody's gonna hear about that and 2964 02:07:29,860 --> 02:07:28,220 that's too bad because that like you 2965 02:07:32,140 --> 02:07:29,870 know like Carla Turner said that I think 2966 02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:32,150 that it's the really strange stuff it's 2967 02:07:36,250 --> 02:07:33,650 gonna have some of the gold in it not 2968 02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:36,260 yeah not the stuff that's the most 2969 02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:37,730 interesting thing oh you know I want a 2970 02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:40,370 caveat or you know what I said yet no 2971 02:07:44,290 --> 02:07:41,840 I'll stick by that number ninety percent 2972 02:07:47,140 --> 02:07:44,300 but I'm not saying that that's that 2973 02:07:49,420 --> 02:07:47,150 ninety percent is all just secret 2974 02:07:52,970 --> 02:07:49,430 military technology what I said was 2975 02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:52,980 human technology that also includes 2976 02:07:59,450 --> 02:07:55,650 my view the whole idea of the breakaway 2977 02:08:03,740 --> 02:07:59,460 or hidden civilization groups okay which 2978 02:08:06,290 --> 02:08:03,750 is to me just as interesting as you know 2979 02:08:07,729 --> 02:08:06,300 a part of the UFO mystery is the et 2980 02:08:09,320 --> 02:08:07,739 things they could be fully in the 2981 02:08:12,140 --> 02:08:09,330 military and the intelligence agencies 2982 02:08:14,690 --> 02:08:12,150 as a side kind of an agenda as opposed 2983 02:08:17,380 --> 02:08:14,700 to actually being working in cahoots 2984 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:17,390 with them they could be alongside 2985 02:08:21,770 --> 02:08:20,010 exactly or even you know exactly a 2986 02:08:23,390 --> 02:08:21,780 complete mystery you know maybe the 2987 02:08:27,790 --> 02:08:23,400 military which is that they had with 2988 02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:27,800 these guys so to speak you know have 2989 02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:32,250 yeah when I say 90% human technology I'm 2990 02:08:37,190 --> 02:08:34,770 not just limiting that to you know 2991 02:08:38,450 --> 02:08:37,200 secret military technology I I'm talking 2992 02:08:40,280 --> 02:08:38,460 about the other stuff which I've you 2993 02:08:43,729 --> 02:08:40,290 know written about you know recently you 2994 02:08:46,820 --> 02:08:43,739 know in recent years in research so and 2995 02:08:48,920 --> 02:08:46,830 others even more so than me so well that 2996 02:08:51,770 --> 02:08:48,930 brings that brings us to burn States 2997 02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:51,780 next question he wants to know what what 2998 02:08:55,670 --> 02:08:53,370 do you make of the ease of the 2999 02:08:58,040 --> 02:08:55,680 propagation of the UFO meme across North 3000 02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,050 America since the first big wave 68 3001 02:09:02,210 --> 02:09:00,000 years ago do you think that the way mass 3002 02:09:04,670 --> 02:09:02,220 culture thinks about it has changed in 3003 02:09:07,670 --> 02:09:04,680 any significant ways or have we been 3004 02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:07,680 seen the same predictable cultural 3005 02:09:13,790 --> 02:09:11,250 response well primarily it's fun so I 3006 02:09:16,130 --> 02:09:13,800 think that's why there's been you know 3007 02:09:18,260 --> 02:09:16,140 the cultural response you know people 3008 02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:18,270 love to be entertained you know in new 3009 02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:20,730 and exciting ways and you know this is 3010 02:09:26,180 --> 02:09:24,210 it it's fun but it also talks your field 3011 02:09:30,229 --> 02:09:26,190 investigator it's you know kind of a 3012 02:09:32,720 --> 02:09:30,239 masochistic sort of way that's true yeah 3013 02:09:35,180 --> 02:09:32,730 but for the average common person out 3014 02:09:37,460 --> 02:09:35,190 there that to the degree that they are 3015 02:09:41,090 --> 02:09:37,470 experiencing and observing this whole 3016 02:09:44,630 --> 02:09:41,100 thing it's it's primarily it's a fun 3017 02:09:46,790 --> 02:09:44,640 thing but I I think any change has been 3018 02:09:50,110 --> 02:09:46,800 that any change in the percentage of 3019 02:09:53,530 --> 02:09:50,120 people in in what they believe about 3020 02:09:56,180 --> 02:09:53,540 specifically the et thing you know but 3021 02:09:59,990 --> 02:09:56,190 you know I'm one of those that I don't 3022 02:10:03,110 --> 02:10:00,000 think you know disclosure of et 3023 02:10:05,690 --> 02:10:03,120 existence will flip out everybody I 3024 02:10:06,620 --> 02:10:05,700 think there's very you know maybe very 3025 02:10:09,800 --> 02:10:06,630 few who would 3026 02:10:12,620 --> 02:10:09,810 we've been in this stuff for two too 3027 02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:12,630 many decades exactly yeah exactly 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to avoid outside 3125 02:15:19,579 --> 02:15:17,559 contamination to get work done is to do 3126 02:15:22,709 --> 02:15:19,589 it privately a small group of people 3127 02:15:24,959 --> 02:15:22,719 keep me it quiet unless or until there 3128 02:15:26,879 --> 02:15:24,969 are results but doesn't that create the 3129 02:15:28,409 --> 02:15:26,889 climate that we're gonna have lots of 3130 02:15:30,839 --> 02:15:28,419 small groups around the world doing 3131 02:15:31,709 --> 02:15:30,849 their own research never being in touch 3132 02:15:34,349 --> 02:15:31,719 with one another 3133 02:15:36,389 --> 02:15:34,359 I never having some kind of filtering 3134 02:15:38,729 --> 02:15:36,399 system to see that they're on the right 3135 02:15:40,829 --> 02:15:38,739 track and not fooling themselves doesn't 3136 02:15:45,299 --> 02:15:40,839 that sometimes work against the hope of 3137 02:15:47,069 --> 02:15:45,309 being able to get something done Marly 3138 02:15:49,079 --> 02:15:47,079 woods would be a great example of that 3139 02:15:51,569 --> 02:15:49,089 you didn't hear everything I said or I 3140 02:15:55,259 --> 02:15:51,579 didn't make it clear it what I said was 3141 02:15:57,089 --> 02:15:55,269 to research these things and as walter 3142 02:15:59,489 --> 02:15:57,099 said you know if you have some results 3143 02:16:02,489 --> 02:15:59,499 you've got results put them out there 3144 02:16:04,259 --> 02:16:02,499 yes tell other people this is the result 3145 02:16:07,020 --> 02:16:04,269 we've got and this is exactly how we 3146 02:16:09,389 --> 02:16:07,030 went about it and there's your test at 3147 02:16:12,029 --> 02:16:09,399 that point your test will come see the 3148 02:16:14,429 --> 02:16:12,039 idea of doing it privately is because 3149 02:16:16,379 --> 02:16:14,439 the nature of the phenomenon it's gonna 3150 02:16:18,539 --> 02:16:16,389 it's gonna come out of the woodwork more 3151 02:16:20,099 --> 02:16:18,549 and then when you get your results then 3152 02:16:22,319 --> 02:16:20,109 put them out there like Greg says and 3153 02:16:24,539 --> 02:16:22,329 that's when your test your filter will 3154 02:16:26,909 --> 02:16:24,549 be applied wait you know have the class 3155 02:16:28,529 --> 02:16:26,919 and the character that if it's pointed 3156 02:16:30,959 --> 02:16:28,539 out that you're wrong or erroneous to 3157 02:16:32,879 --> 02:16:30,969 say oops okay I got the okay great I got 3158 02:16:35,069 --> 02:16:32,889 that one wrong then my conclusions were 3159 02:16:36,750 --> 02:16:35,079 erroneous well I think what Greg is 3160 02:16:38,339 --> 02:16:36,760 bringing up is is something that I've 3161 02:16:40,979 --> 02:16:38,349 been championing for a long time and 3162 02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:40,989 that's trying to obtain and maintain as 3163 02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:44,050 pristine an investigative environment as 3164 02:16:49,620 --> 02:16:46,960 possible your your social petri dish 3165 02:16:51,390 --> 02:16:49,630 it should have as few contaminants as as 3166 02:16:53,730 --> 02:16:51,400 humanly possible to keep out of the 3167 02:16:57,390 --> 02:16:53,740 equation it's only then that you get 3168 02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:57,400 purer or more pure form of result and 3169 02:17:02,280 --> 02:17:00,880 you know data and then results and and I 3170 02:17:05,490 --> 02:17:02,290 think that that's important because if 3171 02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:05,500 you you know if you go investigating a 3172 02:17:10,530 --> 02:17:08,170 case and you're you've got a camera crew 3173 02:17:12,570 --> 02:17:10,540 following you behind reporters that sort 3174 02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:12,580 of thing people begin to start 3175 02:17:16,379 --> 02:17:14,080 performing as opposed to being 3176 02:17:19,259 --> 02:17:16,389 themselves I've seen that many times and 3177 02:17:22,410 --> 02:17:19,269 in that that muddies the water to have 3178 02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,420 that petri dish as contaminant free the 3179 02:17:26,129 --> 02:17:24,160 the pristine investigative environment 3180 02:17:28,200 --> 02:17:26,139 there is no substitute for that and and 3181 02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:28,210 I think we're starting to lose that 3182 02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:30,729 sense and you know Walter saying people 3183 02:17:33,990 --> 02:17:32,410 you know are into this stuff because 3184 02:17:35,820 --> 02:17:34,000 it's fun the first thing that sprang to 3185 02:17:37,469 --> 02:17:35,830 mind to me is well it sounds like 3186 02:17:39,089 --> 02:17:37,479 Hollywood the entertainment complex is 3187 02:17:40,980 --> 02:17:39,099 doing their job they're entertaining 3188 02:17:43,259 --> 02:17:40,990 people people are having fun being 3189 02:17:45,839 --> 02:17:43,269 entertained and unfortunately you know 3190 02:17:48,959 --> 02:17:45,849 shortcuts were taken cliff note versions 3191 02:17:51,690 --> 02:17:48,969 are used you know things are folded 3192 02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:51,700 spindled and mutilated along the way in 3193 02:17:56,009 --> 02:17:53,679 that entertainment process and that's 3194 02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:56,019 that's a real problem I see because it's 3195 02:18:01,320 --> 02:17:57,969 more serious than entertainment yeah 3196 02:18:04,410 --> 02:18:01,330 sure I admit I see where it's fun for 3197 02:18:06,150 --> 02:18:04,420 most people but I think we here we know 3198 02:18:08,759 --> 02:18:06,160 that there's something deeper than fun 3199 02:18:10,560 --> 02:18:08,769 going on and it's not always fun the 3200 02:18:13,110 --> 02:18:10,570 deeper you look there there's some 3201 02:18:15,330 --> 02:18:13,120 darker aspects of the spectrum which 3202 02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:15,340 some researchers and enthusiasts want to 3203 02:18:19,259 --> 02:18:17,679 ignore you know it's like those it's 3204 02:18:21,240 --> 02:18:19,269 like the people who talk about you know 3205 02:18:23,160 --> 02:18:21,250 a few years back angels and I've 3206 02:18:24,930 --> 02:18:23,170 actually heard people the you know oh I 3207 02:18:27,209 --> 02:18:24,940 believe in angels but I don't believe 3208 02:18:31,320 --> 02:18:27,219 demons exist and I just once I finished 3209 02:18:32,459 --> 02:18:31,330 laughing you know you know it's it's 3210 02:18:34,350 --> 02:18:32,469 like the people that say well I believe 3211 02:18:36,750 --> 02:18:34,360 in the happy little guys in Close 3212 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:36,760 Encounters and you know this the aliens 3213 02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:39,130 are only to help us there are no bad 3214 02:18:45,959 --> 02:18:43,210 ones comes to mind yeah it's it's 3215 02:18:48,690 --> 02:18:45,969 laughable and then my other favorite one 3216 02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:48,700 that I get so tired of hearing I got 3217 02:18:53,640 --> 02:18:51,490 tired of a long time ago is we humans 3218 02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:53,650 are not evolved enough to have this 3219 02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:56,559 techni we're such rotten no-goods you 3220 02:19:00,540 --> 02:18:58,960 know we're the bad kids of the universe 3221 02:19:03,029 --> 02:19:00,550 come on give me a break 3222 02:19:04,859 --> 02:19:03,039 the ETS that are out there I think 3223 02:19:06,389 --> 02:19:04,869 they're just like us you know others 3224 02:19:09,089 --> 02:19:06,399 have said this recently thank god 3225 02:19:11,009 --> 02:19:09,099 there's corrupt ones there's ones with 3226 02:19:12,540 --> 02:19:11,019 good intentions there's ones that are 3227 02:19:14,429 --> 02:19:12,550 indifferent you know these people just 3228 02:19:17,279 --> 02:19:14,439 because they have this advanced 3229 02:19:19,799 --> 02:19:17,289 technology and you know they allegedly 3230 02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:19,809 never use for destructive war purposes 3231 02:19:27,649 --> 02:19:25,449 you know things like that exactly well 3232 02:19:30,929 --> 02:19:27,659 in let's not forget Steven Hawkings 3233 02:19:34,049 --> 02:19:30,939 pointed observation that the the 3234 02:19:37,080 --> 02:19:34,059 likelihood of spacefaring alien races 3235 02:19:39,419 --> 02:19:37,090 being like Vikings and Marauders is much 3236 02:19:41,339 --> 02:19:39,429 more likely yeah and benevolent space 3237 02:19:43,709 --> 02:19:41,349 brothers looking to solve some poor 3238 02:19:47,639 --> 02:19:43,719 primitive planets internal problems 3239 02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:47,649 which brings us back to the Carol rosin 3240 02:19:53,729 --> 02:19:50,710 thing von Braun allegedly told her that 3241 02:19:56,279 --> 02:19:53,739 the whole idea that et is a threat well 3242 02:19:58,410 --> 02:19:56,289 according to von Braun that's gonna be 3243 02:20:00,750 --> 02:19:58,420 used against us there could be the irony 3244 02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:00,760 there that maybe they are dangerous but 3245 02:20:07,769 --> 02:20:04,329 like the war on terror there is a threat 3246 02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:07,779 out there but it's been latched onto by 3247 02:20:11,639 --> 02:20:10,000 profit ears who want to keep us 3248 02:20:13,769 --> 02:20:11,649 and when I say profiteers I don't just 3249 02:20:17,219 --> 02:20:13,779 mean corporate material profit ears I 3250 02:20:19,529 --> 02:20:17,229 mean social engineering ears yeah who 3251 02:20:21,479 --> 02:20:19,539 want to control the masses and get out 3252 02:20:24,929 --> 02:20:21,489 of the masses what they want so they 3253 02:20:28,109 --> 02:20:24,939 keep us worked up and paranoid and and 3254 02:20:30,540 --> 02:20:28,119 maybe exaggerate what the threat is 3255 02:20:33,420 --> 02:20:30,550 I think this ET threat that von Braun 3256 02:20:36,240 --> 02:20:33,430 was it's supposedly referred to told 3257 02:20:37,769 --> 02:20:36,250 Carol rosin about might be that it's not 3258 02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:37,779 that von Braun wasn't saying that 3259 02:20:44,010 --> 02:20:40,720 et doesn't exist what he was saying was 3260 02:20:48,540 --> 02:20:44,020 is that it's going to be used to spin us 3261 02:20:50,069 --> 02:20:48,550 up see so true in anybody who's 3262 02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:50,079 interested in this concept should 3263 02:20:55,529 --> 02:20:52,479 definitely reread your Jacques Vallee 3264 02:20:57,059 --> 02:20:55,539 book messengers of deception because aha 3265 02:20:59,099 --> 02:20:57,069 that's pretty much what that books about 3266 02:21:01,380 --> 02:20:59,109 here's another another question from 3267 02:21:03,269 --> 02:21:01,390 Bern state which i think is a is a good 3268 02:21:05,460 --> 02:21:03,279 one and since we're on this kind of 3269 02:21:08,370 --> 02:21:05,470 conspiratorial sort of slant here in the 3270 02:21:10,590 --> 02:21:08,380 conversation what's the one conspiracy 3271 02:21:12,020 --> 02:21:10,600 that scares you the most because you 3272 02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:12,030 think it has some real merit 3273 02:21:22,100 --> 02:21:16,050 I can't think of one nothing that no 3274 02:21:25,761 --> 02:21:22,110 comment I think yeah it would be in the 3275 02:21:28,190 --> 02:21:25,771 realm of this oh gosh you know what it 3276 02:21:32,570 --> 02:21:28,200 for me it's it's usually in the realm of 3277 02:21:34,220 --> 02:21:32,580 social engineering that pushes people to 3278 02:21:41,211 --> 02:21:34,230 collectivism 3279 02:21:45,350 --> 02:21:41,221 dangerous thing 3280 02:21:47,780 --> 02:21:45,360 so I don't know but to be specific it's 3281 02:21:49,580 --> 02:21:47,790 hard to pinpoint one because there's so 3282 02:21:52,761 --> 02:21:49,590 much stuff out there that serves a 3283 02:21:54,620 --> 02:21:52,771 particular aim I don't know the probably 3284 02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,630 the one that would if I had to say one 3285 02:21:58,700 --> 02:21:56,340 that bothers me the most it's the one 3286 02:22:01,011 --> 02:21:58,710 people impose on themselves by not 3287 02:22:03,921 --> 02:22:01,021 listening by not checking out 3288 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:03,931 information by not using any critical 3289 02:22:07,430 --> 02:22:05,610 thinking and most importantly not 3290 02:22:09,261 --> 02:22:07,440 reserving judgment yeah 3291 02:22:12,980 --> 02:22:09,271 yeah the dumbing down of the American 3292 02:22:14,540 --> 02:22:12,990 pubic there you go yeah exactly and 3293 02:22:18,020 --> 02:22:14,550 that's part of that pushing towards a 3294 02:22:19,610 --> 02:22:18,030 collective the hive mentality the don't 3295 02:22:22,430 --> 02:22:19,620 think for yourself don't you know 3296 02:22:24,830 --> 02:22:22,440 individuality is bad look at our heroes 3297 02:22:27,051 --> 02:22:24,840 in mythology are our own little 3298 02:22:29,511 --> 02:22:27,061 mythologies and pop culture used to be 3299 02:22:31,820 --> 02:22:29,521 you know the tall lonesome stranger who 3300 02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:31,830 came in and and took care of the issue 3301 02:22:36,320 --> 02:22:34,080 and that was the hero the guy who who 3302 02:22:39,051 --> 02:22:36,330 was the individual guy right now 3303 02:22:41,091 --> 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your home of the alarm you can 3440 02:28:34,889 --> 02:28:32,260 trust simply safe go to simply safe 3441 02:28:39,450 --> 02:28:34,899 defense calm now for an exclusive 10% 3442 02:28:46,950 --> 02:28:44,850 [Music] 3443 02:28:49,110 --> 02:28:46,960 hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer 3444 02:28:51,001 --> 02:28:49,120 of dark skies the co-author of AD after 3445 02:28:53,180 --> 02:28:51,011 disclosure and you are listening to the 3446 02:28:59,370 --> 02:28:53,190 para cast the gold standard of 3447 02:29:05,450 --> 02:29:02,320 [Music] 3448 02:29:06,439 --> 02:29:05,460 Jeanne and Chris Gregg and Walter take 3449 02:29:08,689 --> 02:29:06,449 it any way you want 3450 02:29:11,570 --> 02:29:08,699 think for yourself do you think though 3451 02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:11,580 also things like social networks where 3452 02:29:16,519 --> 02:29:14,399 we're just sharing our private lives and 3453 02:29:20,179 --> 02:29:16,529 our bathroom visits or whatever else 3454 02:29:22,490 --> 02:29:20,189 that's kind of creating such a shared 3455 02:29:24,580 --> 02:29:22,500 mentality that we're losing our 3456 02:29:29,120 --> 02:29:24,590 individualism sure I think it promotes 3457 02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:29,130 narcissism probably anything I mean I go 3458 02:29:32,479 --> 02:29:30,720 up to the Grand Canyon all the time I've 3459 02:29:34,760 --> 02:29:32,489 been up three times this week and I'll 3460 02:29:37,130 --> 02:29:34,770 tell you the selfie stick phenomenon is 3461 02:29:38,780 --> 02:29:37,140 really you know there's been several 3462 02:29:42,050 --> 02:29:38,790 people I just wanted to grab that thing 3463 02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:42,060 and beat them with it to me this whole 3464 02:29:50,059 --> 02:29:44,880 thing this whole narcissism of selfies 3465 02:29:52,939 --> 02:29:50,069 and and just this whole you know the the 3466 02:29:55,580 --> 02:29:52,949 Twitter phenomenon of every five minutes 3467 02:29:57,229 --> 02:29:55,590 posting you know you know like gene just 3468 02:30:00,170 --> 02:29:57,239 said oh I had a great bowel movement 3469 02:30:01,880 --> 02:30:00,180 you know everybody please clap yeah like 3470 02:30:07,160 --> 02:30:01,890 if you like that you know it's like a 3471 02:30:08,870 --> 02:30:07,170 look at my coffee I mean to me when you 3472 02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:08,880 look at a culture and how it's 3473 02:30:13,370 --> 02:30:10,890 progressing you look at what words are 3474 02:30:15,320 --> 02:30:13,380 added to the language and I think the 3475 02:30:18,820 --> 02:30:15,330 last words that have been added are 3476 02:30:22,309 --> 02:30:18,830 twerking selfies and some other 3477 02:30:23,630 --> 02:30:22,319 narcissistic activity which I probably 3478 02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:23,640 blocked out of my mind 3479 02:30:28,820 --> 02:30:26,010 now to show you how bad the selfies gets 3480 02:30:32,030 --> 02:30:28,830 I was watching the TV playback of one of 3481 02:30:34,429 --> 02:30:32,040 those comic-con San Diego features this 3482 02:30:37,010 --> 02:30:34,439 one I think was about the stars to the 3483 02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:37,020 TV show arrow from the CW and one of the 3484 02:30:40,099 --> 02:30:38,640 stars of the show takes out his 3485 02:30:42,110 --> 02:30:40,109 smartphone I don't know what kind of 3486 02:30:44,300 --> 02:30:42,120 smartphone and throughout the first five 3487 02:30:47,059 --> 02:30:44,310 minutes of this panel discussion he's 3488 02:30:49,550 --> 02:30:47,069 taking selfies of everybody and he's one 3489 02:30:51,229 --> 02:30:49,560 of the participants he's on the panel 3490 02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:51,239 but he's up there taking selfies of 3491 02:30:55,340 --> 02:30:53,010 everybody on the panel with himself 3492 02:30:58,580 --> 02:30:55,350 that's right yeah well because it's the 3493 02:31:00,500 --> 02:30:58,590 urge it's it can't be resisted but if 3494 02:31:02,090 --> 02:31:00,510 they could do that mirror image thing of 3495 02:31:04,010 --> 02:31:02,100 the selfie with in the selfie with in 3496 02:31:06,679 --> 02:31:04,020 the selfie you know people would just 3497 02:31:08,059 --> 02:31:06,689 implode with this where do you think 3498 02:31:10,670 --> 02:31:08,069 this is coming from do you think that 3499 02:31:14,570 --> 02:31:10,680 this this rampant narcissism is 3500 02:31:17,660 --> 02:31:14,580 is being produced and exacerbated by our 3501 02:31:19,280 --> 02:31:17,670 our you know reality show culture you 3502 02:31:21,559 --> 02:31:19,290 know do you think that though yeah Andy 3503 02:31:24,290 --> 02:31:21,569 Warhol you know was on the right track 3504 02:31:27,170 --> 02:31:24,300 or Marshall McLuhan the others bring to 3505 02:31:28,519 --> 02:31:27,180 my office McKenna what do you think it 3506 02:31:32,990 --> 02:31:28,529 is that simple 3507 02:31:35,660 --> 02:31:33,000 the opportunity to be seen by the world 3508 02:31:37,820 --> 02:31:35,670 now I mean you know when we were kids 3509 02:31:40,040 --> 02:31:37,830 you know we'd watch the original Star 3510 02:31:42,740 --> 02:31:40,050 Trek and there was this Captain Kirk guy 3511 02:31:45,139 --> 02:31:42,750 that you know my was my favorite 3512 02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:45,149 character on the show itself and now you 3513 02:31:49,219 --> 02:31:46,890 know I can go on my Twitter and there's 3514 02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:49,229 William Shatner right there I can I can 3515 02:31:55,160 --> 02:31:51,840 tweet to him you know I can say 3516 02:31:57,620 --> 02:31:55,170 something to this person who 30 40 50 3517 02:32:01,160 --> 02:31:57,630 years ago was just somebody who you know 3518 02:32:03,380 --> 02:32:01,170 was just only on TV and there was no 3519 02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:03,390 personal interaction it was an ionic 3520 02:32:09,110 --> 02:32:06,000 character exactly is an icon in now you 3521 02:32:11,599 --> 02:32:09,120 know he's just another guy on Twitter on 3522 02:32:14,000 --> 02:32:11,609 this thing and so here's the thing if 3523 02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:14,010 people can do it they're going to and I 3524 02:32:18,500 --> 02:32:16,080 think that's what it is is they can do 3525 02:32:20,179 --> 02:32:18,510 it so they're going to this form of 3526 02:32:22,670 --> 02:32:20,189 empowerment is healthy or do you think 3527 02:32:25,639 --> 02:32:22,680 it's just oh no no no it's it's you said 3528 02:32:27,290 --> 02:32:25,649 it's it's narcissistic it's people are 3529 02:32:29,210 --> 02:32:27,300 spending you know this is an old saw 3530 02:32:31,340 --> 02:32:29,220 we've heard for the last 10 years you 3531 02:32:34,910 --> 02:32:31,350 know from various sources but people 3532 02:32:38,540 --> 02:32:34,920 really do and can spend way too much 3533 02:32:41,929 --> 02:32:38,550 time expressing themselves every little 3534 02:32:44,330 --> 02:32:41,939 dumb thought instead of living life do 3535 02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:44,340 you think this may be by design that 3536 02:32:51,729 --> 02:32:48,050 people are being kind of coerced into 3537 02:32:54,620 --> 02:32:51,739 into this reflective kind of selfie type 3538 02:32:56,929 --> 02:32:54,630 you know scenario to keep them from 3539 02:32:58,880 --> 02:32:56,939 looking outwards and possibly focusing 3540 02:33:00,290 --> 02:32:58,890 on more important issues than you know 3541 02:33:03,950 --> 02:33:00,300 what their boobs look like in a new 3542 02:33:07,240 --> 02:33:03,960 property Oprah lifting bra or or you 3543 02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:07,250 know their ass is on par with the 3544 02:33:12,019 --> 02:33:09,810 bastion or you know whatever the 3545 02:33:14,179 --> 02:33:12,029 motivations are for this narcissistic 3546 02:33:16,550 --> 02:33:14,189 behavior the one thing that I see 3547 02:33:18,170 --> 02:33:16,560 happening is it it's distracting people 3548 02:33:20,540 --> 02:33:18,180 from the real issues that they should be 3549 02:33:21,710 --> 02:33:20,550 thinking about in their lives what do 3550 02:33:24,170 --> 02:33:21,720 you think Greg is that means that 3551 02:33:26,210 --> 02:33:24,180 accurate what I think is that 3552 02:33:28,429 --> 02:33:26,220 what you are all saying that all enters 3553 02:33:30,439 --> 02:33:28,439 into it I don't think there's some sort 3554 02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:30,449 of conspiracy to get people to turn 3555 02:33:33,860 --> 02:33:32,010 inward I think that happened and then 3556 02:33:35,389 --> 02:33:33,870 you know all the people that are 3557 02:33:37,010 --> 02:33:35,399 concerned with where we spend our money 3558 02:33:39,610 --> 02:33:37,020 and who we give our money to and who we 3559 02:33:42,500 --> 02:33:39,620 pay attention to jumped on it because 3560 02:33:44,210 --> 02:33:42,510 yeah the other thing that I think enters 3561 02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:44,220 into this and it may just be because I 3562 02:33:47,240 --> 02:33:45,810 live in North America and a certain kind 3563 02:33:49,550 --> 02:33:47,250 of culture and a certain kind of you 3564 02:33:51,410 --> 02:33:49,560 know economic Strait and a certain kind 3565 02:33:52,639 --> 02:33:51,420 of City and all that in an urban 3566 02:33:55,939 --> 02:33:52,649 environment it's the way people are 3567 02:33:58,639 --> 02:33:55,949 raised everybody I know that has kids 3568 02:34:00,099 --> 02:33:58,649 whether I've met them just ready to go 3569 02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:00,109 or people I've known for years 3570 02:34:05,780 --> 02:34:02,489 suddenly the kid the kids can do no 3571 02:34:07,610 --> 02:34:05,790 wrong and they have no yeah my my wife 3572 02:34:10,790 --> 02:34:07,620 she's a secret she works at a library 3573 02:34:14,269 --> 02:34:10,800 and if anybody loses everybody gets mad 3574 02:34:17,269 --> 02:34:14,279 but yeah the American parent is out of 3575 02:34:19,400 --> 02:34:17,279 control yeah you know if all I can 3576 02:34:21,260 --> 02:34:19,410 remember is losing most of the time when 3577 02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:21,270 I was growing up every once in a while 3578 02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:22,800 you'd get this really cool thing where 3579 02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:24,810 you'd win it was almost a you know you 3580 02:34:30,620 --> 02:34:26,160 make a lot of effort every time you like 3581 02:34:36,050 --> 02:34:30,630 what I won oh cool great but far between 3582 02:34:37,610 --> 02:34:36,060 just like life guys in the Muppets up in 3583 02:34:44,990 --> 02:34:37,620 the load you know they in the box 3584 02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:45,000 commenting on on the culture I think if 3585 02:34:48,590 --> 02:34:47,130 you're not taught that you lose once in 3586 02:34:50,599 --> 02:34:48,600 a while when you get out in the big wide 3587 02:34:53,179 --> 02:34:50,609 world you start losing most of the time 3588 02:34:54,769 --> 02:34:53,189 it's it's a very bad you know slap in 3589 02:34:57,050 --> 02:34:54,779 the face and a cognitive dissonance and 3590 02:35:00,050 --> 02:34:57,060 all that stuff right it's very deflation 3591 02:35:03,469 --> 02:35:00,060 Airy it takes away your motivations and 3592 02:35:06,290 --> 02:35:03,479 it starts calling into question your the 3593 02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:06,300 quality of your your self-worth and it 3594 02:35:11,240 --> 02:35:08,250 creates larger hurdles that that maybe 3595 02:35:12,979 --> 02:35:11,250 wouldn't be so large if you had a more 3596 02:35:15,800 --> 02:35:12,989 sort of even-keeled 3597 02:35:18,019 --> 02:35:15,810 I think upbringing and in reality view I 3598 02:35:20,990 --> 02:35:18,029 mean let's get real if you're if you're 3599 02:35:23,389 --> 02:35:21,000 in being indoctrinated in a narcissistic 3600 02:35:25,189 --> 02:35:23,399 culture that you can do no wrong and 3601 02:35:27,349 --> 02:35:25,199 that you're a star and all this stuff it 3602 02:35:29,210 --> 02:35:27,359 doesn't take much to totally burst that 3603 02:35:32,780 --> 02:35:29,220 balloon and it makes it doubly difficult 3604 02:35:35,780 --> 02:35:32,790 to motivate yourself to to get back into 3605 02:35:36,120 --> 02:35:35,790 some sort of forward motion some you 3606 02:35:38,939 --> 02:35:36,130 know 3607 02:35:42,210 --> 02:35:38,949 more of a more realistic form of 3608 02:35:43,950 --> 02:35:42,220 objectivity I guess pointed out in the 3609 02:35:46,380 --> 02:35:43,960 70s there was a book called the culture 3610 02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:46,390 of narcissism by Christopher lash I read 3611 02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:48,640 it when I was in high school and it was 3612 02:35:52,830 --> 02:35:50,050 what it was warning about a lot of the 3613 02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:52,840 stuff back then we've got to stop 3614 02:35:57,420 --> 02:35:55,449 deifying youth and children that's what 3615 02:35:59,969 --> 02:35:57,430 we've been doing and I'm a father 3616 02:36:04,320 --> 02:35:59,979 you know so I don't want to hear you 3617 02:36:07,349 --> 02:36:04,330 know you know we're we we put the the 3618 02:36:09,809 --> 02:36:07,359 highest premium on youth and and some 3619 02:36:12,719 --> 02:36:09,819 people go nuts with you know here's the 3620 02:36:15,960 --> 02:36:12,729 thing that I like to say since time 3621 02:36:18,599 --> 02:36:15,970 began adults have been breeding and 3622 02:36:21,599 --> 02:36:18,609 having children it is V s-- it is the 3623 02:36:23,429 --> 02:36:21,609 most common you know it may be the 3624 02:36:26,040 --> 02:36:23,439 second or third most common human 3625 02:36:28,019 --> 02:36:26,050 experience and we and every time like 3626 02:36:30,269 --> 02:36:28,029 you know somebody has a child they act 3627 02:36:32,939 --> 02:36:30,279 like oh my gosh it's the greatest most 3628 02:36:34,620 --> 02:36:32,949 unique miracle ever of course that's the 3629 02:36:36,750 --> 02:36:34,630 reason why we keep breeding because we 3630 02:36:39,240 --> 02:36:36,760 have to believe that listen folks we got 3631 02:36:40,649 --> 02:36:39,250 to wrap it up here Greg Bishop tell our 3632 02:36:43,139 --> 02:36:40,659 listeners please where they can find 3633 02:36:45,780 --> 02:36:43,149 more of the stuff you do right now it's 3634 02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:45,790 just on radio mysterioso calm which is 3635 02:36:50,040 --> 02:36:48,489 my show that's on vaguely weekly so look 3636 02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:50,050 that up and it's on live on Sunday 3637 02:36:55,410 --> 02:36:51,850 nights 8:00 to 10:00 p.m. Pacific at 3638 02:36:57,870 --> 02:36:55,420 kill radio org Walter I have an author's 3639 02:37:00,300 --> 02:36:57,880 page at amazon.com for my books on 3640 02:37:02,219 --> 02:37:00,310 Kindle there just look up Walter Bosley 3641 02:37:04,679 --> 02:37:02,229 or look up the latest book The Lost 3642 02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:04,689 expedition of Sir Richard Francis Burton 3643 02:37:08,550 --> 02:37:06,970 and you can get the link there for those 3644 02:37:11,880 --> 02:37:08,560 who like printed books you can find my 3645 02:37:12,719 --> 02:37:11,890 books on lulu.com lu lu comm and also i 3646 02:37:15,979 --> 02:37:12,729 have a blog 3647 02:37:18,599 --> 02:37:15,989 empire of the wheel dot blog spot.com 3648 02:37:20,399 --> 02:37:18,609 you guys are gonna have to do a part two 3649 02:37:22,229 --> 02:37:20,409 we barely what you know I mean we were 3650 02:37:25,889 --> 02:37:22,239 just getting going here you know folks 3651 02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:25,899 this show has become so fascinating I 3652 02:37:30,479 --> 02:37:28,210 don't want it to end and I don't want to 3653 02:37:33,420 --> 02:37:30,489 say goodbye to Walter Bosley or Greg 3654 02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:33,430 Bishop so I've asked them to join me and 3655 02:37:40,920 --> 02:37:38,080 Chris on after the para cast so the next 3656 02:37:44,099 --> 02:37:40,930 edition of after the para cast for July 3657 02:37:47,801 --> 02:37:44,109 19th will include the continuation of 3658 02:37:51,370 --> 02:37:47,811 this discussion on after the para cast 3659 02:37:53,770 --> 02:37:51,380 only for power castes Plus subscribers 3660 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